Abortion? or No Abortion?

*sigh*

Ya and another thing:

Pregnancy interferes with regular life, so having no abortions would be harder for females to adjust.

It is a mistake to become pregnant, but look at the world, do you not think that people can make reasonable decisions based on their own lives? I think that it is important to remember, you aren't truly killing a viable human being, because it is, basically, brain dead.

and if my workers have plan to build institution for poor people and i destroy those plans and tell them to not to you say i only destroyed planed architecture on papers but I didn't destroy the help that could poor people get?

That is wrong Cllyx because that regards people that have actual FEELINGS and EMOTIONS and CONNECTIONS not something that is basically BRAINDEAD.

Also that happens all the time in the world Cllyx.

How about this, look up Becky Bell

Is this the kind of world you want?

u still didnt answer the question

I did.

u still didnt answer the question, if u go by brain, logic, destroying those papers destroys help for people, if you go with emotion then i am bastard cos i want to destroy help to people, simple

Great OK, so what does that have to do with abortion? I just proved up there that it couldn't be held up and compared to abortion.

help=baby
u kill papers u kill help for ppl
u kill fetus u kill baby

Again, as I said already and you ignored, you are affecting people who have connections, feelings, emotions and that stuff. A FETUS DOESNT HAVE THOSE. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST LOOK UP BECKY BELL

can u ignore emotions for a lil bit to understand that how science works, do the math and you will see how in this case emotions and science fits
emotionally - u cant kill fetus cos u think its a baby, human being, u feel sry
ur way - killing fetus is killing a baby (stabing me in heart doesnt kill my heart only, I die along with it), fetus is future baby, its early phase of what, of baby, of human being

I don't think its a baby, I know that it is not

baby |ˈbābē|
noun ( pl. -bies)
1 a very young child, esp. one newly or recently born

Otherwise, killing a caterpillar is killing a butterfly. That isn't true you will say, and I will say, oh but of course it is because a caterpillar is just an early stage of a butterfly.

All of your arguments fall apart there, they aren't the same, get over it, its a fact. You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but the facts are there, they have different names and the dictionary even makes a distinction, AGAIN

baby |ˈbābē|
noun ( pl. -bies)
1 a very young child, esp. one newly or recently born

nothing falling apart here u just dont have ability to understand the case, i am not trying to convince myself, u r the one who had to google all the stuff and to ask even mother for opinion and lost around along with it and now u r teaching me nouns, grammar of english, i doubt that pregnants go around saying "i am carrying a fetus", its early phase of human being, human cant feel if human isnt a fetus first, my heart literally cannot feel emotions or think its alive but is it right to kill it, if u kill it u kill the human who can feel emotions, u kill fetus cos it it cant think? cos it cant feel? along with it u kill human being, and u agree that its right to take life like that

A fetus (also spelled foetus, fœtus, faetus or fætus, see below) is a developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth.

The processes between a fetus and a born baby is not that much different of a born baby to an old man...

It's a developing human being, it is conceived, it's brain is evolving..After enough time, its brain actually can emit signs..The fetus, even though it has not reached it's final stage CAN MOVE...Therefor it can feel.

That is because you CURRENTLY CAN feel emotions, a fetus cannot feel anything it is a hollow shell.

Again, you just called a fetus a human being! That is wrong on so many levels. That is why there are distinct names. So AGAIN, I tell you your argument as such is invalid, because, following the stream of conscious you use, a caterpillar is a butterfly and a seed is a tree.

Here is the point, I've refuted that argument, it does not hold because it can applied, like i showed, to a caterpillar and a butterfly. Right now I'm trying to convince you that a fetus is not a baby, that is where we are arguing.

You believe that since a baby was a fetus and a fetus will be a baby that they are the same. This is not true unless you have some magical manipulation of time or we live in a quantum state of being a particle and a wave! However, WE NEVER SHOW SIGNS OF INTERFERENCE. So we are one, NOT THE OTHER. How about this I'll take your logic and apply it again.

Since Mozart became a composer, does that make a newborn Mozart a composer? NO.

Soul the comparison doesn't hold. Also the baby can't feel, it is sedated even if it could feel, imagine what kind of TRAUMA THAT WOULD BE FOR THE CHILD TO BE CONSCIOUS IN THE MOTHER'S WOMB. Naturally, soul, an old man is not a baby, so a fetus is not a baby, that is, unless a fetus is an old man? It doesn't work the comparison.

from what u r saying fetus is not a baby, a human, cos temporally it cant feel and think, then how about i go sleep now and temporary i will not be aware of anything, i will not be human being, and u throw bomb on me and kill me before i feel a thing since temporary i wasnt human so its okay to take life
"Since Mozart became a composer, does that make a newborn Mozart a composer? NO." fail

Cllyx wrote:from what u r saying fetus is not a baby, a human, cos temporally it cant feel and think, then how about i go sleep now and temporary i will not be aware of anything, i will not be human being, and u throw bomb on me and kill me before i feel a thing since temporary i wasnt human so its okay to take life
"Since Mozart became a composer, does that make a newborn Mozart a composer? NO." fail

I explained that already: it would because people know you and they would miss you and because you have thoughts, feelings, and emotions, things a fetus DOES NOT HAVE. So, your argument is STILL invalid.

no i was jerk, ppl hate me in entire town, they just want me gone, and i dont have family, they left me after birth, so no ppl can miss me and wld be more gladi am gone, i was rude to everyone, i never took a bath, i stole from others to survive, and now i am sleeping, i cannot think and feel when asleep without dreaming, so it makes me non human being while temporary i am "fetus"?

Master CoG wrote:But killing the seed could prevent that tree from suffering in life and being beaten by the other trees competing to kill it and survive

I guess genocides in Africa are just a way to 'ease te pain' for those poor lil kids.

You know Nihil, point of the matter is, you kill a fetus, you kill a human. BECAUSE, in the future that fetus WILL BE a human. IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT IT IS NOT A HUMAN YET, it WILL be a human.

If your mom had an abortion, YOU wouldn't have existed, therefor, the world would have -1 human being. It is EXACTLY the same as killing.
And the comparison to a butterfly and catterpillar is retarded, because the caterpilar can FEEL things. It just goes on to the next step, turning into a butterfly, so it can reproduce.

exactly Soul, u word english better

Cllyx wrote:help=baby
u kill papers u kill help for ppl
u kill fetus u kill baby

fetus is phase of human being, fetus is not phase of fetus, i was more clear at start but I had to use all the kind of simple examples that looks to you more confusing i see

Either way, I said you have feelings, emotions, and such, BEFORE you fall asleep, and even when you are asleep you have emotions, in the form of dreams.

also Dist, there is no exploiting, because his argument does not make sense semantically or in any way I can perceive it.

Also Animals are not just 'there' for us, they are other forms of life that did not win in the competition to reach the top of the food chain.

Finally, you can't kill the butterfly because it never existed, only the caterpillar existed.

Dray he is arguing from my platform being that the kids in Africa have Emotions feelings and others around them who know them and all that stuff I have been reiterating ad nauseam.

Ayiyiyiyiyi i have to keep editing

Soul it will be human, but you are not denying it anything. Once you are born, you feel and have emotions and thus you are perfectly entitled to live on this earth. How about this, lets call a fetus a rock, and swap places, saying that a rock was alive, it doesn't seem that bad now does it? Even though the rock will become human it is not.

So soulcast, hinging on that last statement, what would happen if a girl was raped? What is more important a Girl's future well being, education, or a fetus? However you are arguing it, that makes an undeniable case against abortion in cases of rape if it is 'killing' but you guys all accept that case, by stating the rights of a female that did not engage willingly, so IN AFFECT you put a fetus's life BEFORE that of a raped female! hypocrisy at its finest?

Back to the caterpillar and such examples. Fetus≠human that is why they have different names. If something will be, it doesn't mean that it is. Does that mean that Russia has always been Russia? Not really. It has been controlled by the Golden Horde, the Czars, the Soviets, and now a democratic government. Does that mean it was Russia? Sure, nominally by todays standards, but it is not the russia that they would have called it.

It doesn't hold that because something will be, that it is. because the British colonies were turned into America the world was one less a colonial system.

Also soul, when a caterpillar mourns and cries and goes on a murderous rampage that decreases its own chances of survival, tell me k?

Nihil wrote:Either way, I said you have feelings, emotions, and such, BEFORE you fall asleep, and even when you are asleep you have emotions, in the form of dreams.

u cant dream 100% time of ur sleep, but u can sleep 100% time of ur sleep
and yes u cant understand, soul did, in any case, abortion or not, u kill some human life form u r killer, u kill it on purpose u r murderer
now i go on date, peace