Abortion? or No Abortion?

Disturbed wrote:
2. Should a potential child be killed in order to atone for the mistakes of the mother?



In the case of actual rape though, I certainly believe the woman should have the right to get rid of it.

Like I said before, so you think a potential child should be killed in order to atone for the actions of the father?

Yes.

Yes he does.

He just said so, Dan.

Anyway, we already have enough people on Earth.

True that

That and risk of the mother dying are my only exceptions to abortion.

I would never force another human being to take care of another one if he is unguilty of his existence. Much less make a woman go thru a labor she never wanted and never risked taking.

By father I meant biologically.

Wich is bull. Hell many raped women take the children. But if they want to, they are in complete right to deny it...

Legally, yes, morally?
Dray, are you only for it in the case of rape?
Because when you give an option like that, people have no incentive to have protected intercourse except for diseases.

dandaman7 wrote:Legally, yes, morally?
Dray, are you only for it in the case of rape?
Because when you give an option like that, people have no incentive to have protected intercourse except for diseases.

It is personal, however you view it. I have long gone learned to despise morals, specially when they are so shifty such as this one. I choose my own morals, that of what an ideal society needs. I do not approve of abortion if she was a stupid cunt, i do however feel more guilty for making a woman have a baby she never wanted just because some lunatic raped her, than by killing the fetus. My morals say its up to her, whatever she chooses, itll be right morally and legally.

Disturbed wrote:

Dray The Fingerless wrote:I would never force another human being to take care of another one if he is unguilty of his existence. Much less make a woman go thru a labor she never wanted and never risked taking.

same...but if it is this so called drunk 'rape' I am against abortion since that just encourages that girl to go out and fuck around more (literally). In the case of true rape, ppl are talking abt fathers, but use common sense...how many rapists actually take care of the children that they father? Not too many I'm sure of that.

You really think they want to be cut open every time they are pregnant?...

I'm for both, legal in some situations and not in others. No one is for all abortions and it would be silly to be against every abortion.

And what about if dad wants to keep his child? It is a life we are talking about, you do abortion you kill someone. Unfortunately people will do that no matter what laws say. If parent(s) dont want child that is on way they should give it to some institution after birth, not to kill it. And to prevent the problem people should protect themselves better, always have box of condoms and read what it says there, some of them are better then others, durex is good.

And yet, Durex still breaks I bet.

What if it was an unwanted "accident."

And again, they aren't someone until they're out of the womb.

any can break, but durex is best rly and cheap, for only 200 din u get box with 24 condoms and u r safe entire month, trojan isnt bad either but durex fits and its "strongest" and u can choose a lot of fruit smell, if u do too wild u can break even bed xD
if accident happens they give child away on adoption
its a life form, thats cos it doesnt have personal name to be someone doesnt make it right to destroy it, and its for sure not its fault

thing944 wrote:And yet, Durex still breaks I bet.

Wasn't saying he knows what he is talking about.
And lol Cllyx.

Legality? In America, it's legal. Republican presidents try to stop funding it, democratic presidents encourage funding it.

Disturbed wrote:nope. If everyone feels that it should be legal, then fine. Really there is no right answer imo abt the legality of it. Morally I'd say it's wrong, but there are others who wish to justify their patheticness and since most of ppl are pathetic, they will go ahead and legalize it I guess.

Btw, condoms can break bu rarelyu do

>.<

That comment was the height of arrogance. No one can really claim they are morally superior, morals can differ widely among cultures but have many homogenous elements. Also, you claim that most people are pathetic, and then you say that there are people who wish to justify how pathetic they are. I think that says more about you than it does them. At least they don't go around touting their moral superiority and how they are not pathetic like you just did. Preemptive and precluding now! Don't try to say that isn't what you said. Logically: You don't want to legalize it, and you are saying that there are others who wish to justify how pathetic they are by legalizing it, so, obviously, you must not be calling yourself pathetic, in regards to this matter, because you are saying that people wish to justify how pathetic they are by legalizing it, with regards, again, to this matter, and that you don't want to legalize it.

Now back to the matter...

You know what morally is wrong? Killing a person. You know what I call pathetic? Killing a person based on a religious text. Every single major religion has done it. You know what morally is wrong? Prospering while others suffer. I don't pretend to call our species 'moral' in any sense of the word, in the big picture of course, but, when you look at history and the present, having such dual standards doesn't help your argument.

Back to my point: it can't feel, it can't think, it is about alive as a plant. If we cut down a tree, then, possibly, that could lead to a death of a human in the future, lack of oxygen, lack of food or shade, or some other such extreme, but we do it. Killing a tree is about the equivalent of killing a fetus.



I like to use this picture because it points out what you may be killing. Killing a nearly genetic identical, the chimpanzee, doesn't cause this kind of moral outrage. So what are morals if they are so mutable and inconsistent, what is killing a zombie, an unthinking, unfeeling being compared to killing a fetus. After all, again, in the end, we are all dead and we are all terminal.