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Post by Aardvark Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:47 pm

This is a vote to fix the following statement in the Exile Rank Act: "When a member of a faction is exiled by the faction leaderships, they become an Exile." You will be voting to amend the statement to be more clear. Here is the original Act:

Original Act wrote:When either a Jedi or a Sith leave their respective faction and attempt to join the other faction and are also denied in that faction, they are considered an exile of both factions. When a member of a faction is exiled by the faction leaderships, they become an Exile. When a member becomes an exile they must wait at least two weeks after being denied entrance before attempting to join another faction. An Exile can choose to remain such until they feel comfortable with applying to a faction. The decision of exiling someone is irrevocable, this is, when the faction leader chooses to exile someone, they cannot go back with their decision, and the exile will remain exile for the 2 weeks needed. However, if the faction leadership should change hands, the new leader may revoke the old ones decision anytime before the exiled subject applies to a faction. After he applies, it is completely irrevocable, even for the new leader. When an Exile does choose a faction their petition will be voted on by the Faction Leader and any Faction Councilors(not Approvers). This vote must pass with a two-thirds majority in order for the Exile to gain approval. If an Exile is approved to join a faction he will begin at the Faction Probation rank, Gray Jedi for those seeking entrance to Jedi, Dark Cultist for those seeking entrance to Sith, during which time their dedication to the faction will be tested and if the Faction Leader is unsatisfied can revise his decision and reject the Exile. If accepted from Faction Probation(GJ/DC) the person in question will be forced to work their way up from the bottom of the ranks, Initiate for those seeking Jedi, Disciple for those seeking Sith, and will not be able to resume their previous rank or equivalent.

The Exile is a member of no faction, and cannot participate in any JvS event involving factions specifically, such as Jedi vs. Sith War Days and the Great Ideological War. The Exile is treated as the lowest possible rank for a full member in JvS, and while not barred from the Darth Bar, Clan War Server, Senatorship, or a Council seat, they are also given much less benefit-of-the-doubt for any wrong-doings.

Tag: EX

Here is a list of your possible revisions(changes in bold and underline):

Possible Revision One wrote:When either a Jedi or a Sith leave their respective faction and attempt to join the other faction and are also denied in that faction, they are considered an exile of both factions. When a member of a faction is exiled by a Faction Leader, then they become an Exile. When a member becomes an exile they must wait at least two weeks after being denied entrance before attempting to join another faction. An Exile can choose to remain such until they feel comfortable with applying to a faction. The decision of exiling someone is irrevocable, this is, when the faction leader chooses to exile someone, they cannot go back with their decision, and the exile will remain exile for the 2 weeks needed. However, if the faction leadership should change hands, the new leader may revoke the old ones decision anytime before the exiled subject applies to a faction. After he applies, it is completely irrevocable, even for the new leader. When an Exile does choose a faction their petition will be voted on by the Faction Leader and any Faction Councilors(not Approvers). This vote must pass with a two-thirds majority in order for the Exile to gain approval. If an Exile is approved to join a faction he will begin at the Faction Probation rank, Gray Jedi for those seeking entrance to Jedi, Dark Cultist for those seeking entrance to Sith, during which time their dedication to the faction will be tested and if the Faction Leader is unsatisfied can revise his decision and reject the Exile. If accepted from Faction Probation(GJ/DC) the person in question will be forced to work their way up from the bottom of the ranks, Initiate for those seeking Jedi, Disciple for those seeking Sith, and will not be able to resume their previous rank or equivalent.

The Exile is a member of no faction, and cannot participate in any JvS event involving factions specifically, such as Jedi vs. Sith War Days and the Great Ideological War. The Exile is treated as the lowest possible rank for a full member in JvS, and while not barred from the Darth Bar, Clan War Server, Senatorship, or a Council seat, they are also given much less benefit-of-the-doubt for any wrong-doings.

Tag: EX

Possible Revision Two wrote:When either a Jedi or a Sith leave their respective faction and attempt to join the other faction and are also denied in that faction, they are considered an exile of both factions. When a member of a faction is exiled by one faction leader and rejected by the other, then they become an Exile. When a member becomes an exile they must wait at least two weeks after being denied entrance before attempting to join another faction. An Exile can choose to remain such until they feel comfortable with applying to a faction. The decision of exiling someone is irrevocable, this is, when the faction leader chooses to exile someone, they cannot go back with their decision, and the exile will remain exile for the 2 weeks needed. However, if the faction leadership should change hands, the new leader may revoke the old ones decision anytime before the exiled subject applies to a faction. After he applies, it is completely irrevocable, even for the new leader. When an Exile does choose a faction their petition will be voted on by the Faction Leader and any Faction Councilors(not Approvers). This vote must pass with a two-thirds majority in order for the Exile to gain approval. If an Exile is approved to join a faction he will begin at the Faction Probation rank, Gray Jedi for those seeking entrance to Jedi, Dark Cultist for those seeking entrance to Sith, during which time their dedication to the faction will be tested and if the Faction Leader is unsatisfied can revise his decision and reject the Exile. If accepted from Faction Probation(GJ/DC) the person in question will be forced to work their way up from the bottom of the ranks, Initiate for those seeking Jedi, Disciple for those seeking Sith, and will not be able to resume their previous rank or equivalent.

The Exile is a member of no faction, and cannot participate in any JvS event involving factions specifically, such as Jedi vs. Sith War Days and the Great Ideological War. The Exile is treated as the lowest possible rank for a full member in JvS, and while not barred from the Darth Bar, Clan War Server, Senatorship, or a Council seat, they are also given much less benefit-of-the-doubt for any wrong-doings.

Tag: EX

The Leadership can't agree on which one to go with right now and it's almost a direct split, so we're asking you, the clan members, to vote on which you prefer. This vote will last a week.


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Post by Dray The Fingerless Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:48 pm

I VOTED MOTHERFUCKER. Basically, Leadership has voted to a standstill on this, so whatever wins, gets it.
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Post by Aardvark Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:49 pm

Voted.
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Post by Thing Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:01 pm

I would vote for choice 1, but then, that could (and probably would) get abused. Like, what if someone wanted to go sith and they were rejected simply because the rejector didn't like the person's Signature. Granted that's an exaggeration, but maybe other stupid little things like that can get someone exiled.

The only thing right now I can think of that could prevent this would be the Council's intrusion on a factions decision to exile a member. Of course, the Council wouldn't have to go through all of the exiled members "cases" so to speak, but maybe like one or two Councilors that agree on the fact that it's not a viable reason for exile. Then there are individuals like Span who don't want Council interfering with Faction decisions. A laissez faire kinda thing.


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Post by Spidey Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:40 pm

i voted
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:47 pm

thing944 wrote:I would vote for choice 1, but then, that could (and probably would) get abused. Like, what if someone wanted to go sith and they were rejected simply because the rejector didn't like the person's Signature. Granted that's an exaggeration, but maybe other stupid little things like that can get someone exiled.

The only thing right now I can think of that could prevent this would be the Council's intrusion on a factions decision to exile a member. Of course, the Council wouldn't have to go through all of the exiled members "cases" so to speak, but maybe like one or two Councilors that agree on the fact that it's not a viable reason for exile. Then there are individuals like Span who don't want Council interfering with Faction decisions. A laissez faire kinda thing.


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Beats the concept of having a Faction Leader. For one, he has to be elligible as a morally good person, judgemental and responsible. The very concept of Faction Leader is that he is the best person to lead and choose what is best for their faction, keeping up the morale, the good manners and keeping rules. If your not just gonna trust him with this, why trust him with admin level 3?
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Post by Deadly Assassin Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:09 am

voted for 1
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:06 am

you have a week? How much time is the voting aard?
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Post by Aardvark Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:07 am

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Post by Dray The Fingerless Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:08 am

yeah, YOU HAVE A WEEK PUNKS
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Post by Disturbed Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:06 am

voted choice 2. Why should someone be an exile if others are willing to accept him? Just canon based thinking there
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:06 pm

No one is exiled permanently remember? Its more of a punishment for bad deeds.
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Post by Deadly Assassin Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:04 pm

hey if this ties up even in the public clan vote wtf happens then Dray
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Post by Disturbed Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:32 pm

well yes, but personally I think exiling someone should not be an option as a punishment. Yes, he can be kicked out of the faction, but if the other leader wants to take him in chances are, he believes that the other faction leader's judgement was more with regards to the faction and not the clan.

If he really messed up so bad, I;m pretty sure bth FL will reject.
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Post by behalok Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:05 pm

Voted.
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Post by Thing Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:52 pm

Again, it's not like the Faction leader sees all of the applications.

The acceptance comities could be cruel and exile someone for no reason. Then the faction leader would be oblivious and wouldn't do anything about it, even if the applier didn't do anything wrong.
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Post by Ptolemy Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:00 pm

well then there is an issue with leadership and that needs to be addressed by the FL
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:54 pm

Councils cannot exile someone. Only the Faction Leader can.
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Post by Layfon Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:13 pm

yea, those on that are just application accepters only have the power to accept or decline, not the power to exile. the faction leader has the last say, even if all the accepters decline the person, the faction leader still can accept him.

it's use as a punishment may seem cruel, but it's not as much as you think. what kind of punishment is it to just kick someone out of a faction to where they can just turn around and go to the other faction? if they're exiled, they have to go through all the procedures of an exile, making it a much stronger deturrent for those who don't follow the faction rules and rules in general, properly.

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Post by Thing Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Was there any reason behind CoG's exile when he tried to join the Sith?

I'm pretty sure there wasn't except for shits and giggles, but it happened.
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Post by Aureus Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:23 pm

The biggest reason was that I was Jedi first


But I'm jus given the benefit of the doubt there =P
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Post by Layfon Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:35 pm

and thing, i tried to overturn that but someone in the higher ups didn't want such things to happen and there for his exile was all on their hands. unfortunatly at that time, the people in charge decided not to act on it and when someone tried to overturn it they whinned about it and such. that's why cog had to stay an exile for no reason.

that and i believe deadly had personal problems with cog so it was for the lolz but it was also because of personal reasons.
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Post by Disturbed Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:41 pm

precisely. If the decision was for personal reasons, or shitz and giggles, this will let the other faction leader see that mistake and accept. However, if he was exiled for wrong doing which is rarely the case (xzav, CoG etc. exiled for no behavioral reasons) then both faction leaders would probably reject, because drama is not liked by either. JUst look at kaemasu for instance. Probably gonna get an exile unless his name clears up later because he did something seriously wrong, and thus is being scrutinized seriously.

In the case of Xavier, he caused no serious drama, so there was no reason not to accept him besides to make span happy.
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Post by Layfon Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:07 pm

xzav was exiled for consipricy against the sith. he had already betrayed the sith once and was openly considering it in from of span and i. so he got exiled for that, it was both a punishment and example of spans no causing drama which the whole sith switch to jedi event was starting to cause. thats how i saw it atleast and thats why i called for his exile. that and he couldn't make up his mind.

in the case of cog, its understandable between those two because i believe a lot of arguing and flaming happened between them? i wasnt around for awhile so im not sure and i used to rarly be on at the same time as cog. although i myself tried to overturn it because i felt it was wrong, deadly may think different, but that's for him to know unless he wants to share.

excuse alert, im not in the condition to argue well due to being ill.
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Post by Disturbed Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:10 pm

well yeah..but its not against the clan rules to say ur switching. I mean, if he had flamed or told span he was a douche buffon jackrabbit or smth along those lines, then pretty sure span could tell Hero and if hero thought that was wrong (pretty sure he would) he would reject. Exile! Boom. I think the purpose of exile is to punish trouble makers who think they can get away by switching factions.
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