Re: Draw Mohammed Day Protests

by Nihil Mon May 17, 2010 2:12 am

Disturbed wrote:tell me, has anyone really been attacked? Unfortunately, we ppl don't have the kind of power the US and Israel have, not even close...let me ask, we're giving out threats but our ppl are actually being killed for no reason, forget freedom of speech..its freedom to life that is being violated there.

Like I said, they need to stop being retarded and use their freedom of speech for something constructive. What's the point of trying to piss ppl off? Jesus gets a lot of crap, from Christains, so its not our job to deal with it. If I were a Christain I would certainly not be happy about it, in fact I'm not happy about it right now because Jesus was a prophet according to Islam as well....

People are being killed without reason, however, it is in the interest of national security of not just the U.S but the world at wide, hunting down Al-Qaeda is important. I do not condone the killing of innocents. Has anyone really been attacked? Yes, Lone Wolf militant Muslims and otherwise, not nations.

They are using their freedom of speech for something constructive, they are protesting that people can't have free speech without receiving death threats.

Religious figures get crap, that is reality, nothing is going to change that because that is freedom of speech, though you may not agree with it, other people don't agree with you, so you both can't have your own ways, so we take the middle road.

by **Disturbed** Mon May 17, 2010 5:19 pm

that's not the middle road at all, that's simply a win for people who have no decency and respect, for anything, anymore. Why the hell has freedom become synonymous with everything immoral and wrong? If someone commits adultery or fornication and if anyone disapprove, their called un modern and say ur restricting freedom. If society has not learn enough to restrict themselves from doing things that are detrimental to society.

In fact, even the free speech clause says that there is freedom of speech as long as it does not hinder anyone else's rights, and that sure as hell is hindering ppl's rights to practice their religion and see their religion respected.

by **Aureus** Mon May 17, 2010 7:06 pm

Disturbed wrote:In fact, even the free speech clause says that there is freedom of speech as long as it does not hinder anyone else's rights, and that sure as hell is hindering ppl's rights to practice their religion and see their religion respected.

Not only that but there's also a freedom for people to be tolerant and respectful towards others

by Nihil Mon May 17, 2010 9:56 pm

Disturbed wrote:that's not the middle road at all, that's simply a win for people who have no decency and respect, for anything, anymore. Why the hell has freedom become synonymous with everything immoral and wrong? If someone commits adultery or fornication and if anyone disapprove, their called un modern and say ur restricting freedom. If society has not learn enough to restrict themselves from doing things that are detrimental to society.

In fact, even the free speech clause says that there is freedom of speech as long as it does not hinder anyone else's rights, and that sure as hell is hindering ppl's rights to practice their religion and see their religion respected.

You are tripping up there, its wrong for you, not for them. Also, Dist, how does it keep someone from practicing their religion if they don't obey one of your religion's rules, thats like saying that Christians can't eat pigs. This is not detrimental to society, again, this is people EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH WITHOUT INTIMIDATION! Besides, isn't it true that if I eat pork i'm disrespecting your religion just like if I draw a stick figure that says Mohammed under it to express my right to freedom of speech without intimidation from militant Muslims?

by **Dray The Fingerless** Mon May 17, 2010 10:01 pm

Dont make that kind of fallacies Nihil. Keep it clean. Nothing says you eating pork disrespects muslims.

by Nihil Mon May 17, 2010 10:02 pm

And nothing says that if I draw Mohammed I am disrespecting Muslims, it says, just like in the video, that YOU will not depict Mohammed, not me, and why do I have to be threatened by people for doing so, in a fucking cartoon? really?

by **Dray The Fingerless** Mon May 17, 2010 10:04 pm

nothing says that if i sleep with your girl im disrespecting you.

by Nihil Mon May 17, 2010 10:05 pm

That is a cultural no-no not a religious one, where laws a prescribed for you.

Actually...

That is adulterous, so you would be offending me if I was Muslim and if I was just me, for two reasons

religious and cultural

by **Thing** Mon May 17, 2010 10:07 pm

Nihil wrote:
Disturbed wrote:that's not the middle road at all, that's simply a win for people who have no decency and respect, for anything, anymore. Why the hell has freedom become synonymous with everything immoral and wrong? If someone commits adultery or fornication and if anyone disapprove, their called un modern and say ur restricting freedom. If society has not learn enough to restrict themselves from doing things that are detrimental to society.

In fact, even the free speech clause says that there is freedom of speech as long as it does not hinder anyone else's rights, and that sure as hell is hindering ppl's rights to practice their religion and see their religion respected.

You are tripping up there, its wrong for you, not for them. Also, Dist, how does it keep someone from practicing their religion if they don't obey one of your religion's rules, thats like saying that Christians can't eat pigs. This is not detrimental to society, again, this is people EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH WITHOUT INTIMIDATION! Besides, isn't it true that if I eat pork i'm disrespecting your religion just like if I draw a stick figure that says Mohammed under it to express my right to freedom of speech without intimidation from militant Muslims?

But by eating pigs, you aren't disrespecting a deity. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but Muslims don't worship pigs, they don't believe them to be a prophet or a holy thing. I also have to ask how they wish to accomplish anything by just straight out pissing people off.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Mon May 17, 2010 10:19 pm

Nihil wrote:That is a cultural no-no not a religious one, where laws a prescribed for you.

Actually...

That is adulterous, so you would be offending me if I was Muslim and if I was just me, for two reasons

religious and cultural

you are deliberately escaping the bullet.

i didnt say anything about what culture or that you were married to the girl. i simply said, sleeping with your girl is no where written as disrespectful, as well as trying to mock someone's beliefs is not written as well. so by your logic, sleeping with your girl isnt disrespectful at all.

by **Thing** Mon May 17, 2010 10:52 pm

Yeah, or eating all of your food.

by **Aureus** Tue May 18, 2010 12:05 am

Nihil u do realize that is a rule to not draw mohammad and it isn't to eat non-kosher things around jews or at all. So ur argument kinda is canceled out there

by **Disturbed** Tue May 18, 2010 12:16 am

go make fun of Jews and u will see how pissed off they will get. And htey actually has power so it won't be good for u either. Like thing said, one thing is disrespecting a figure, not about obeying a rule. And trust me mostwhat southpark did was no stick figure.

by Nihil Tue May 18, 2010 8:11 pm

Dray The Fingerless wrote:
Nihil wrote:That is a cultural no-no not a religious one, where laws a prescribed for you.

Actually...

That is adulterous, so you would be offending me if I was Muslim and if I was just me, for two reasons

religious and cultural

you are deliberately escaping the bullet.

i didnt say anything about what culture or that you were married to the girl. i simply said, sleeping with your girl is no where written as disrespectful, as well as trying to mock someone's beliefs is not written as well. so by your logic, sleeping with your girl isnt disrespectful at all.

Well then Dray, why don't you tell me why it is disrespectful, it is because culture has trained us that way.

Again, these people aren't mocking anyone's beliefs, they are supporting the Freedom of speech without intimidation, specifically regarding the incident that happened with southpark. What is wrong with that?

by **Disturbed** Tue May 18, 2010 8:13 pm

IS THERE NO OTHER WAY TO SIGNIFY FREE SPEECH?

For the love of God, if that's all you guys can use your free speech for, rather than stand up to companies, stand up to corrupt government or oppose unfair measure by the government..then you do not deserve that perk in any way

by Nihil Tue May 18, 2010 8:18 pm

Did I not say specifically?

That was the most recent event and is a thing of culture going on, if someone did it about watergate that wouldn't get as much news now would it?

Also Drist, don't generalize, you live in America too, and many of us do stand up against private corporate interests, cept' Ptolemy Razz

, but that is another conversation.

by **Disturbed** Tue May 18, 2010 8:53 pm

so ur basically saying they want this protest to be seen or something...I live in America and everyday am saddened by how stupid and ignorant the country has become..

The new tattoo on Angelina Jolie's butt seems to be more important than the millions dying world wide.

Oh well I guess such a protest is to be expected from people who are so feeble minded and perhaps have inferior intellect as compared to the common street dog. That's not inclusive, but does involve the majority of people.

At least Ptolemy still has a sense of decency and what is right and what is wrong.

by Nihil Tue May 18, 2010 8:58 pm

You can't call others stupid when you haven't met them and don't know their story, besides, I'm saying that they are protesting because it works within a media context and works to support the freedom of speech without intimidation. Again, why do you care what others do if it doesn't harm you? Your book doesn't say that no one can draw Mohammed, only that you can't. Why can't people protest the fact that SouthPark comedians, who comment on everything and have no boundaries, except legal ones, show Mohammed, who turns out to be Santa Claus, and get death threats. It was a major media story and it worked well within the context.

by **Disturbed** Tue May 18, 2010 9:02 pm

because it is an effing insult. We don't care if your drawing Mohammed (PBUH) and doing whatever your deluded minds want to in your house, but no need to shove it in the public. That is the equivalent of forcing us to eat pork.

by Nihil Tue May 18, 2010 9:08 pm

eating pork is your own action that you can refuse to do,

Drawing Mohammed is your own action that you can refuse to do.

by **Disturbed** Tue May 18, 2010 10:32 pm

its my own action I can refuse to do but if every store everywhere starts selling pork only then will I have an option other than to starve (which I would rather do). This is like making a big public display of a religious figure in an attempt to piss them off. Let's just say that these countries are already having enough trouble getting rid of the extremists, by this move they even piss off the non extremists who only follow the base basest rules of Islam...and if they start getting angry then it's not going to be good for America.

by **Champion** Thu May 20, 2010 12:18 am

FFS leave the muslims alone and respect their religion. Most normal muslims do the same in return. I have not seen a single muslim here in america who degrades or disrespects any other relgion. I hold respect for people of any faith who are not radicals.

by Nihil Thu May 20, 2010 12:44 am

ya, but this isn't disrespect, this is targeting a media event that outraged the public to support the freedom of speech without intimidation

by **soran** Thu May 20, 2010 1:30 am

i know this is off topic, but your profile pic looks rlly familiar, where is it from???

by Nihil Thu May 20, 2010 1:31 am

lol, an anime, take a guess?

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