Draw Mohammed Day Protests

Actually I meant that I wouldn't just go just to offend him. I would go because it is important in our society today. I wouldn't go just to show that I am allowed to go and idc about their religion, but because I have to go. Education is a neccesity, South Park is not. South Park just wanted to show that they can do what they want, they realized it offended Muslims. They did tease Muslims, other religions too but none that were as offended as Muslims.

Nihil wrote:They didn't tease Muslims, they made fun of Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, they made fun of every religion. I don't understand it needs to be like this Dray




What say thee?

big difference here, is that while all religions have the same amount of rights, each one deals with their subjects differently. just because Christians deal with it, doesnt mean Muslims have to. They all have the right to be pissed off or protest against insults towards them, its not Muslims fault that Christianity doesnt emit the same strength in protests as they do.

Its not an insult though, I think that is where you guys are wrong, its a support rally using a recent event of popular outrage,

You know what

I think it is important to put this in perspective



I mean really people? Is that all we are getting worked up over?

you are trying to muffle the intent and actual meaning of what South Park did. that is, depicting Mohammed in a denegrating way.

This is what draw mohammed day is about, you are trying to make the conversation about South Park, I'm talking about, as the title says, DRAW Mohammed DAY PROTESTS!

for pity's sake! Also, it turns out it wasn't mohammed, but santa claus in the end, so there is not reason to be mad.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:you are trying to muffle the intent and actual meaning of what South Park did. that is, depicting Mohammed in a denegrating way.

Correct.
Look at link.
Insulting one person causes a string of other insults. Can get disgusting.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/muslims-strike-back-with-everybody-draw-holocaust-day

LOL!

that is great, they compare a cartoon that doesn't harm anyone, and doesn't even really "show" Mohammed, as he turns out to be santa claus to the mass genocide of millions of Jews, among other people, for ethnicity?

That may just be the biggest load of bull in the world, listen, do you really think that if we take this seriously, that we should remember every religion like it is the holocaust? That is, an untouchable subject, albeit, outside the intellectual realm of conversation.

Besides, these cartoon creators are atheist, so they aren't "striking back" at them, they are striking back at jews! What a coincidence!

Who cares if they talk about the holocaust? They have freedom of speech, doesn't matter what they say, but it has to be shown that people still have freedom of speech. Doesn't matter how far they go.
South Park creators are not atheist. Matt Stone is ethnically Jewish but agnostic, while Trey Parker says atheism is silly. These people weren't trying to strike back exactly at the creators, but showing how preposterous the 'expressing freedom of speech by mocking someone's beliefs' idea is.

I'm not saying that they can't.

But can one really compare a JOKE to the MASS GENOCIDE of HUMANS?

No, not really.

Btw, if they aren't atheists, then they obviously aren't completely detached from teh feelings of those that they joke about.

Oh, and, watch the video, you will see why your relation doesn't work, these Muslims aren't proposing the restriction of freedom of speech.

Also, read the article next time you post, you basically just posted an article that presupposes that every Muslim is like this guy who says "draw the holocaust".

Oh, I read the article, which was quite bias, nonetheless an article. I realize that Muslims aren't proposing the restriction of freedom of speech, but a few are proposing to have respect when expressing freedom of speech. South Park creators are not atheists, however, they do not adhere to a certain religion either.
Interesting, how now, all of a sudden, content matters. What they are saying in their freedom of speech, matters, but if people are making fun of their beliefs, then it's ok. So does freedom of speech have a limit, it's okay until you talk about the holocaust?
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I didn't say that you couldn't, of course, but when you are attempting to compare a joke and mass murder? It doesn't work

allow me to put it a different way, quoting Ms. Hall:


"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

yeah whatever nihil. we have been for 10 pages saying how bullshitty acting like this is, even thou it is allowed in the law, and now you say its wrong to abuse of this law because they touched sth YOU respect. just like i said a few pages ago, i told you if they touched sth you respected, you would be disgrunted too, and now you see it happen. im done here. case dismissed for me.

Same here, and wasn't that Voltaire who said that?

I agree with Dray. There's the "Im a Dick" answer; and the "Well I guess I could get my head out of my ass and respect ppl" answer



Good day Chap

If you respect ambiguous figures that are dead more than millions of lives, then we are done, there is no way to argue that, the holocaust is one of the greatest tragedies of human history.

I would have thought that you would understand what I meant by that Dray. Sure, you know what, I don't joke about the holocaust, because it is a social stigma, but, when a comedian jokes about it, I've known a few, then I laugh, I'm open to humor, and that is all that South Park did.

Again, this goes back to culture, our background in the U.S is not to mention the Holocaust.


And Dray, your comment goes back to this again




South Park Comedians don't insult or harm anyone, if you don't like it, then don't watch it, but when you try to control what others are trying to do and think, that becomes obtrusive and intrusive.

Jokes are funny, facts aren't, therefore, Jokes usually cannot be facts unless spelled out in a way that is uncommon and bares great resemblance to the actual subject.

Now then, Dray, I've seen a lot of Nigger, excuse my language, jokes on the forum, isn't that a douchebag move, one made by many of our clan leadership and members, that hasn't been repressed, by that same logic?

Now the difference here is that it relates to a history of violence and repression and language of superiority over other human beings, that is how it is different when it reflects an abstract concept.

We could talk about M-branes all day and disagree, but because one person disagrees about an abstract idea doesn't mean we must send them death threats, even if they believe in this with their life. See how that works? Its the same with religion, just a small number of people being angry about irrational things. They only protest the treatment of their character, going back to that Muslim picture.

I'm going to say you've made some religious, or prejudiced jokes in your life, are you going to tell me that they weren't funny? No, they can be funny, even if uncomfortably funny. Not to say that I support the behavior of actually DEGRADING another person. But they aren't, they joking in a way that presents the prophet Mohammed and other figures like jesus in a way that is completely unreasonable, and cannot be applied to normal times, therefore EVERYONE knows that it is a joke. This is different than saying that Africans were dumber than Europeans before colonization, that is because there is a social stigma. Notice how they don't do that with Africans, but do it with Asians as being small, nerdy, and such?

I think that would be checkmate, but knowing you Dray, I'm sure you will have something to keep me on my toes^^

No one made fun of you, mohammed was actually santa claus.

no one made fun of you, they put a character in an unrealistic situation that reflects nothing upon them, so then why are Muslims taking the joke as a posit on the actual behavior of the prophet, who is actually santa claus in the tv show?

oh look, a german shepard guiding the sheep....

Why is this argument going in circles? Ive seen the same shit spewed over and over in different words throughout this topic as if repacking your bullshit someone will open and accept it (just speaking in fucking general here). And I still don't have a reasonable logical retort to my side of the argument. I guess I pwned anyone who could challenge it.

Yeah this is a stupid debate. Be an ass; I'm not a Muslim, so personally I don't care wtf u do wit any religion lol (Cept go Hitler on its ass ofc). I don't think anyone could wins this argument... specially when others ignore anyone else's opinion or feelings

Dray The Fingerless wrote:

oh look, a german shepard guiding the sheep....

Actually, that was pretty funny

Now, Champ, What is your argument? These students aren't degrading Mohammed, they are depicting him to support the right to the freedom of speech without intimidation, just look up the purpose of Draw Mohammed Day, and these were stick figures. It is a problem in the Muslim world of people who go on "holy wars" killing themselves and others which often winds up in the US, no doubt to our imperialist intentions there before. If Christians did this, we would draw degrading pictures of jesus. But even then, these are stick figures, and they aren't designed to be mean, they are designed to protest Muslim extremism, if you can't do that, then what can you do Champ?

My point was any "freedom" should be tempered with empathy and mercy. And if you temper freedom of speech with that then you can see my earlier point.

how is a stick figure offensive?

I'm not condoning the outright blasphemy of depicting Mohammed in a negative slant in a mean way, but I am supporting the movement of Draw Mohammed day to stand up against Islamic extremists.