Re: The End of Democracy in America

by Nihil Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:36 am

problem is, its easy to say that things were counted wrong

evidence

Gore and Bush

another thing, it worked in athens, but it is way too exploitable and challenging than doing an electoral college, besides, an electoral college, by its thought, encourages people to vote because it makes them thing that their vote is one out of fewer, relative to american population, since the college system works by smaller voting blocs.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:45 am

so does direct democracy voting numbnuts. you think everyone just goes to one fucking booth organized by one fucking person? where do you even think your voting system comes from? DIRECT DEMOCRACY. voting booths are always bound for corruption, be it in the current way or direct democracy way, but at least in direct democracy, you dont have to worry about any more corruption, while in your ccurrent system, they dont even care about your votes. they just put up whatever they want.

by Nihil Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:48 am

LOL

where did you hear that?

our system isn't perfect, but it isn't rational to count over 5 million votes and it is too tedious, expensive, and bound for human error, and corruption, while those blocs i talked about make it so that corruption doesn't influence an outcome as much as it could.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:50 am

it IS rational to count over 5 million votes, thats why voting takes place over 2 days, spread out thru ALL over. even better now with technology to vote without leaving home even.

by Nihil Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:57 am

don't forget about the haxorz

voting is sensible in the way it is because it, as i said before i guess rly. XD

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:58 am

and i guess the current system is better eh? you dont get it do you? there is no perfect system, there is only a optimal one. and you are far from it right now.

by Nihil Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:00 am

I agree, where we differ is what we think will be the optimal system

by **Disturbed** Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:31 am

The current system is definitely far from it. And as to your idea that people follow these random mullahs and do terrorist things because of that, its wrong. Read 'Three Cups of Tea', u'll find that these so called mullahs for the most part were ready to have girls' schools to help the kids have education, and those that opposed did more so for political power than Islam. The problem is, America has made out their enemy to be the muslim groups living in the mountains, which is stupid, cuz their real enemy are the scheming terrorists who don't give a rat's ass about any religion except they gain power and money with it.

by **Aardvark** Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:51 am

I was just explaining why this "unlimited funding" fucks everyone over by explaining the system, didn't mean to spark a separate debate. xD

by **Disturbed** Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:04 am

lol that wasn't a reply to u . But yeah its obviouslly a bad thing and meant to crush democracy. And u know what? They're trying to force their ideas on the rest of the world too.

by Nihil Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:11 pm

Ilmarë wrote:The current system is definitely far from it. And as to your idea that people follow these random mullahs and do terrorist things because of that, its wrong. Read 'Three Cups of Tea', u'll find that these so called mullahs for the most part were ready to have girls' schools to help the kids have education, and those that opposed did more so for political power than Islam. The problem is, America has made out their enemy to be the muslim groups living in the mountains, which is stupid, cuz their real enemy are the scheming terrorists who don't give a rat's ass about any religion except they gain power and money with it.

thats true, ever since we went to a mosque in 6th grade where the Muslim lady was giving us the tour, she said that she Terrorist are not true followers of the Islamic religion.

I hold that to be true today, Islam is one the most tolerant and peaceful of religions.

and as i explained in my edited post, their fall is as much a result of Western exploitation of their resources as it is their history with their terrain, traditions, and such.

by **Ptolemy** Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:18 pm

Nihil wrote:

thats true, ever since we went to a mosque in 6th grade where the Muslim lady was giving us the tour, she said that she Terrorist are not true followers of the Islamic religion.

I hold that to be true today, Islam is one the most tolerant and peaceful of religions.

and as i explained in my edited post, their fall is as much a result of Western exploitation of their resources as it is their history with their terrain, traditions, and such.

I have to accept you statement as i have little experience with Islam. I have only know one Muslim guy and he seemed just a bit like a jerk. Seemed to look down on those around him man or woman. So i would have to ask, Where is the condemnation from the Muslim world when there is a terrorist attack? why was there dancing in the streets in much of the Muslim world or, at least the parts that we saw, when the towers came down? we were not in any Muslim country at that point and we support Israel. is that enough to be attacked?

I do not understand why there is not more opposition to radicals and terrorists from the Muslim community.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:22 pm

Ptolemy wrote:I have to accept you statement as i have little experience with Islam. I have only know one Muslim guy and he seemed just a bit like a jerk. Seemed to look down on those around him man or woman. So i would have to ask, Where is the condemnation from the Muslim world when there is a terrorist attack? why was there dancing in the streets in much of the Muslim world or, at least the parts that we saw, when the towers came down? we were not in any Muslim country at that point and we support Israel. is that enough to be attacked?

I do not understand why there is not more opposition to radicals and terrorists from the Muslim community.

that about sums up why you have an opinion like that from Muslims.

and to why no one opposes them, simple. They have guns, and normal, peaceful, simple living muslims do not. the people are opressed, and blinded, the same way you are blinded to their true nature by your leaders.

As for the towers....i dont believe that talibans would do such a thing, it really was unusual of them to do sth so bold. but i guess if you look for excuses, Infidels have been invading middle east and robing them. The first Iraq war in the 90s for example, or your power hold over political figures in african countries(majority muslim in some).

by Nihil Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:27 pm

The west robbed them of a lot of their resources, ruined them financially with colonialism, being aligned with America is the kiss of death to any politician, because, america and western allies were bad to them.

by **Disturbed** Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:41 am

like I said, ur media is pathetic. Very few sympathize with the terrorists, but most do not believe the Taliban are terrorist, and if u saw tehre condition, u'd be thinking the same. What muslims (most) support is fighting back against an oppressor. Jihad is only called for if some1 else makes the first move. And no, Al -Qaeda is not supported, even the Taliban offered to trial Osama and hand him over if found guilty, America refused, assuming that the Taliban trials would be fake. And then the war began. In fact, I've got a video to show what kind of ppl they are, not overly anger, start watching 16:00, u won't understand anything else anyways Razz

http://www.awaz.tv/playvideo.asp?pageId=7271

by **Aardvark** Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:21 am

I sympathize with feelings of unfairness, we really have no business messing with their affairs, but Pto is right on one thing. It doesn't excuse using people as bombs.

by Nihil Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:09 am

true, and besides, after reading The Bookseller of Kabul, i realize that the Taliban weren't all that great for the country, but rather harsh rulers.

by **Disturbed** Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:52 am

wat I'm saying is strap themselves to bombs are al qaeda and a few terrorists, not taliban

by Nihil Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:22 pm

yes, ok ya i c,

but they provided support for al qaeda, or atleast its goals, if not how it reaches them.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:47 pm

Nihil wrote:yes, ok ya i c,

but they provided support for al qaeda, or atleast its goals, if not how it reaches them.

they provided support for al qaeda? not really.

by Nihil Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:53 pm

http://tinyurl.com/ykhg82s

by **Disturbed** Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:32 pm

Nihil wrote:http://tinyurl.com/ykhg82s

yes, but that has happened because of America's infiltration. They've literally been forced to fight together, if America just decided to get a trial on osama, then it might have been better. And the problem is, why do u need to moderate? If they believe in fundamental Islam, there is no need to deny them their right to believe. Because fundamental Islam does not support terrorism or killing of 'infidels'. Al Qaeda is the one that needs to be kicked out, but America has sort of let that opportunity go by attacking the ppl they should have talked to to ensure Al Qaeda's destruction. This shows that the government is either really stupid or has other goals and just thinks the American ppl are stupid.

by Nihil Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:58 pm

remember what i was saying about the bookseller of kabul, that book portrays the lives of a family in the city of Kabul during the Taliban control, and that family, who it is based on, has woman who are afraid to go out without their Burka because they are afraid of the Taliban.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:03 pm

and in the time of the Mujahideen, there was NO safety, even with Burka. Taliban want to rule, not oppress. Sometimes you have to ask for less to get more. I supported Taliban control, because it kept Afghanistan a more or less safe place. it is this fucking war that has caused this condition. The Taliban allowed Al Qaeda, they didnt pact with them. if americans had asked the Taliban to deliver, they would of. They are not suicidal, and it certainly isnt their problem, its Al Qaeda who messed with the big dog.

by **Disturbed** Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:09 pm

precisely what dray said. They don feel safe, because the Taliban police would have stopped them because it is against the law. And it is not allowed in Islam to go out without hijab. But they would not have tortured them or anything, or sent them to Guantanamo.

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