What Does America need to do?

by Nihil Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:33 am

Say what you think we need to do to better America.

What do I think we need to do?

1. Have easy accessible sources for things like taxation and government expenditure in language that the layman can understand.

2. Streamline the government, we could do a lot more for less, so lets start, things like medicare and social security could be performed at equal proficiency for less

3. Tax the rich some more until we get out of this Great Recession

4. Government subsidies and tax cuts for small businesses, harder lay off rules.

5. End of foreign influences besides the American People.

6. Increased regulatory oversight into the Economy, Centralize the Federal Reserve, make sure you get actual and respectable economists in it.

7. Have the Government improve infrastructure and expand opportunities to stimulate private industry growth.

8. Increase Government Spending on education.

You don't necessarily need to do it like that, but share your opinions.

by Nihil Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:34 am

Nihil wrote:Say what you think we need to do to better America.

What do I think we need to do?

1. Have easy accessible sources for things like taxation and government expenditure in language that the layman can understand.

2. Streamline the government, we could do a lot more for less, so lets start, things like medicare and social security could be performed at equal proficiency for less

3. Tax the rich some more until we get out of this Great Recession

4. Government subsidies and tax cuts for small businesses, harder lay off rules.

5. End of foreign influences besides the American People.

6. Increased regulatory oversight into the Economy, Centralize the Federal Reserve, make sure you get actual and respectable economists in it.

7. Have the Government improve infrastructure and expand opportunities to stimulate private industry growth.

8. Increase Government Spending on education.

9 EDIT: I forgot to add, raise the minimum wage to a living wage, allow for more government control over wages during recessions. Finally, higher consumption taxes to pay.

You don't necessarily need to do it like that, but share your opinions.

Omg... my bad XD

I meant to edit, w/e Embarassed

i added a ninth number^^

by **Aureus** Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:36 am

America needs to stfu

by **Necal** Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:17 am

You know what we need to do? Keep our noses out of business that is not ours.

by Nihil Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:20 am

I mean economically and soicially and such, but this is productive too, but ya our military budget is quite the number

by **Aardvark** Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:10 am

Nihil wrote:What do I think we need to do?

1. Have easy accessible sources for things like taxation and government expenditure in language that the layman can understand. This I agree with, create more jobs, have people to be on call that can explain the law to them easily free of charge.

2. Streamline the government, we could do a lot more for less, so lets start, things like medicare and social security could be performed at equal proficiency for less. While I do think we can streamline the government, take away this notion that Socialized Medicine will do that, it's even more complicated then standard insurance. Focus on limiting government pay check, Supreme Court Judges and Presidents no longer holding office still get a large salary, free health care, and Secret Service protection for the rest of their lives.

3. Tax the rich some more until we get out of this Great Recession. Forget this notion, over-taxing the rish will just lead to them bending the rules to get down to a level where they hardly pay a thing. Instead make a universal 15% Income tax, and make it so Charitable contributions can at best bring it to 10%.

4. Government subsidies and tax cuts for small businesses, harder lay off rules. Don't so much cut them slack, as make a scale. Make it so they pay less in taxes in relative income for what they pull in and actually earn minus the overhead.

5. End of foreign influences besides the American People. Ending foreign trade is proven to be worse for an economy not better. Lessening them is a good start, but do not ever cut foreign trading ties.

6. Increased regulatory oversight into the Economy, Centralize the Federal Reserve, make sure you get actual and respectable economists in it. Scrap this, get rid of all influence, proof that it doesn't work is the condition we're in despite the regulations. Best option is to get rid of them entirely and redistribute the wealth to the American public.

7. Have the Government improve infrastructure and expand opportunities to stimulate private industry growth. Not 100% sure what you mean by this, I agree the private industry is where we should be focusing attention to get things back, but giving them bail outs and hand outs will only make them unnecessarily dependent on government influence.

8. Increase Government Spending on education. I agree, but you might also want to distribute it more, and not limit what can be taught by holding your financing ransom.

9. I forgot to add, raise the minimum wage to a living wage, allow for more government control over wages during recessions. Finally, higher consumption taxes to pay. I agree minimum wage should be individual for each state, what is the MINIMUM required to actually live in a state. Government actually should intercede in here, to make companies pay a living wage. However, I do not agree with a consumption tax, sales tax is fine, taxes on unnecessary items like tobacco and Alcohol is fine, but tax for using more material they may need to use is unfair.

by **Disturbed** Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:41 am

As long as America minds its own fucking business and stops being controlled by a party of greedy elitist bankers, then it will get better. Except they don't want it to get better, so there's not much u can do short of rebellion. I would move to Dubai or some where like that

by **Aardvark** Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:13 am

Viva la Revolution.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:17 pm

hes not even joking, you really got your asses handed to those elitist, and the only thing you guys can do is chop off their dicks with ur buttcheeks now. revolt.

by **Ptolemy** Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:40 pm

One of the first things we need to do is enforce the laws on the books.

Doesn't matter if they are imigration, gunlaws, or finance regulations. quit being scared of being accused of racial what ever. if you get caught breaking the law you get punished. when we start doing that some things will turn arround.

Return to the constitution! nuf said

Thomas Jefferson said a centralized bank is a greater threat to our freedom than a standing army. I will point to our current state as proof of that.

the words 'hello i am from the government and i am here to help' should get you shot. Government spending should be severely curtailed there is a need for a common defense there is a need for intelligence agencies and infrastructure. Control and funding of schools should go back to the state and local governments where it belongs and the Federal Government should go back to what it was supposed to do according to the constitution. It is none of the Feds business how many guns i have or how long they are or how fast the fire, how many kids i have or where i work.

every payday the American people should have to pay thier taxes instead of them being taken out automatically. If they have to write the check every week they will begin to understand that the government gets to much of our money!

The government, national, state, county and city. should remember they work for us. we are not a source of revenue for the government.

by **Disturbed** Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:46 pm

yes, but they already know that, but they don't care either way. I'm with dray on this one. And too many amendments make laws like the patriot act that are totally hellish and obscene if followed as it was intended to be.

by **Aardvark** Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:50 pm

Many of the laws I've seen in the last two years are not only unconstitutional compared to the original Constitution, but outright illegal with the laws before them. But no one will do anything.

by **Disturbed** Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:12 pm

precisely, the govt has American by holding them hostage with their easy way of life. The second that way of life is taken away, ppl will do just about anything to get it back.

by **Aureus** Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:15 pm

Disturbed wrote:As long as America minds its own fucking business and stops being controlled by a party of greedy elitist bankers, then it will get better. Except they don't want it to get better, so there's not much u can do short of rebellion. I would move to Dubai or some where like that

But u say it like all we do is go in for money. tbh i would say fuck the rest unless they have oil if i was in control. There's no use helping haiti and all that. That is a waste of money imo. There's no1 to enforce how it's used and it just goes to meaningless things like a meal for a family that'll be starving the next 2 weeks after. America needs to stfu, get the money, get the oil, and let the rest who don't want help left to die or live in their own, 3rd world-like ways. I know it's selfish, but nature is unforgiving.

by Nihil Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:00 pm

aard, you didn't understand what i meant, I meant, corporate influences, not trade.

Small businesses should pay less in taxes, that is easy to see.

Social Security and Universal Healthcare has been proved a success in European countries, that is a fact.

Bailouts will not make them dependent on the public, Reagan got rid of all regulatory insights into the economy established during the Great Depression, so it is rather the lack of regulation that has done this.

Also, the founding father's were fans of the consumption tax, Alexander Hamilton for example

And i meant tax the rich more after the Recession and inflate our way out of debt.

by **Talkin'boutFreedom** Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:54 pm

I think we need to improve our educations by a VERY large margin and not have the so called ''elite schools'' teaching things that will usually only work in theory and not in the real world too effectively. By this I mean essentially tarnish all the usually majors ( If anyone wants clarification upon this matter, we can start another topic in Rancor Pit)

We also need to reestablish morals in this country, with this mix of liberalism and the skewing of the American Dream, America has essentially become a Royal Rumble.

Small Businesses should receive tax cuts but we shouldn't overtax the large corporations where most likely they will use tax safe havens to loophole through this. Rich people should receive more taxs, if they want to run from them. Then may God and the regulators come down upon them.

I disagree on INFLATING our way out of debt, that is a absolutely horrible idea. We should control the inflation and try to keep it low although that is next to impossible.

Trying to execute a healthcare system such as found in Europe would just cost too much money and personally, I believe healthcare costs could go wayyy down if people just weren't fatasses and took care of themselves. I would propose something as the more weight people gain (excluding those caused by uncontrollable circumstances) the premiums should be increase proportionally to a point where. People realize paying that 500% premium cause you don't feel like running daily may smack them over the head.

by **Necal** Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:02 pm

Saying we can't spend money to fix health care because it costs so much is like saying we can't spend money on schools because we need to spend so much on dealing with youth crime.

by Nihil Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:06 pm

Look at Massachusetts they have Universal Healthcare, but their prices haven't raised significantly.

When I say inflating our way out, I mean by using a Counter Cyclical Fiscal and Monetary Policy, so that we use the money of, say, 1900 instead of 2010 to buy our way out of debt, but it should be controlled, inflation or disinflation can be bad.

oh and tax havens, Liechtenstein, Mauritius and Macau, yuck!

those places are a serious drain on everyone's economy but theirs.

by **Talkin'boutFreedom** Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:06 pm

The Healthcare problem is more like spending more money in a school deep in a ghetto instead of spending money on a Youth Gang Prevention program and programs of that sort. Fancy computers and a brand new school won't do jack if all the students are gangbangers

by Nihil Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:10 pm

Ya, we sshould be doing more to encourage healthier lifestyles and consumption.

by **Disturbed** Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:11 pm

cog, by ur logic, Iran should nuke AMerica and get tis resources if any are left.

by Nihil Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:47 pm

Iran has potential... to be a real world power, the kind like European Countries, its a sorry thing to see their state in such turmoil right now.

and Cog, I agree with Dis right there^

by **Disturbed** Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:09 am

aye, it does, and it probably can which is why America and the West do the best they can to push it down. Its understandable, no empire or regime likes having a challenge to their authority, but this does not make either regime right or wrong. Ofc, I would have tendency to side with Iran, but that's just me...k different topic.

Yes, there needs to be better education that focuses less on how many hoops a person can shoot or who the hottest couple at prom were. The high school here has a much lower level than that in a 3rd world country. That's just sad.

by **Aureus** Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:17 am

Yeah but America has enough nukes for iran and the rest of the world... we have somewhat nuclear defenses but in the end we're all dying neway xD

by **Dray The Fingerless** Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:02 am

i can bet you 10 bucks that any 2 nuclear coutnry going to war these days would totally, most absolutely, not nuke at all costs, and would only use it IN LAST RESORT. why? becuz nuking the world is killing yourself.

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