Re: Religion

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:50 pm

depends. do you live in a ideal society? no. therefore, you do not know yet what the true fundamental morals are for the ideal society. maybe there are no changes to be made, maybe a few, maybe changes to the core. you cnanot simply know. you cna only know what was in the past and what is in the present.

by **Disturbed** Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:56 pm

tell me the society where lying, stealing and cheating are good?

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:29 pm

those are moral points that have been discarded, yet you are straying away from the real issue. the ones that you consider good now, might be discarded in the future. you cnanot know, and i cannot know. to say we have ideal morals is a illusion we tell ourselves, becuz we are not yet the ideal society.

by **Disturbed** Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:30 pm

because we do not even come close to following those morals?

by **Champion** Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:39 pm

Disturbed wrote:The same can be said of other theories, but big bang has proof besides just mathematical analysis

Dray The Fingerless wrote:nnnno not really. and the big bang is not imcompatible with the string theory. string theory is much larger then just teh creation of the universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:19 pm

yes well, the big bang serves more as a explanation for this fenomenon, but ya that is a strong point supporting it.

by Nihil Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:40 pm

I'm just going to put my logic for the existence of a god out there.

One of the laws of science states that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, that is a paradox when it comes to the universe then, because something cannot be if it hasn't always been, so how could the universe and all its matter exist without something to create it?

thats how I view it.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:59 pm

becuz...your not thinking outside the box. the laws of the UNIVERSE, state that matter cant be created or destroyed, but that is a law binded to the UNIVERSE your in. such law may not apply to outside the universe.

by Nihil Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:00 pm

I'm fairly sure that the laws of nature are constant

gravity can't be cheese in another universe XD

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:04 pm

like i said, you are not thinking outside the box.

by **Necal** Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:36 pm

Nihil wrote:I'm fairly sure that the laws of nature are constant

gravity can't be cheese in another universe XD

Why? What is true here may not be true there.

Does the term 'Megas-tu' mean anything to you?

by **Disturbed** Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:16 pm

assuming there is another universe i.e. Matter cannot be created or destroyed according to science but there's a big question mark on the beginning of time, which is where god comes in.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:45 pm

and you are assuming there is a god. so like i said, multiple theories, each doubtful until we are supreme beings of knowledge.

by **Disturbed** Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:09 am

this is still an assumption with some sort of base, since no other viable explanation comes to light for the amazing synchronization with which the universe functions. Or the fact that illiterate ppl from a time long past somehow came up with a book making scientifically true statements. However, even if it remains untrue, I find that actually following the morals of the books would lead to as close an ideal society as there could be. If you could even strip away the ritualistic aspect, it would still only benefit mankind.

by Nihil Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:19 am

yes it does, star trek,

and I believe that gravity is gravity, no matter what, because in an alternate universe, it can't be gravy.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:04 am

Nihil wrote:yes it does, star trek,

and I believe that gravity is gravity, no matter what, because in an alternate universe, it can't be gravy.

you are still not thinking out of the box. its a shame really...

by Nihil Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:05 am

because outside my box, a box is not gravy.

it may be.

by **Disturbed** Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:06 am

leaving aside nihil's posts, dray what do u propose for us to understand. That another universe does not follow the rules of ours and matter could be created and destroyed there and thus this universe came to be? That's more of a fairy tale then the Greek Tale of Atlas holding up the earth on his back, at least that tried to make sense of the situation.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:08 am

Disturbed wrote:leaving aside nihil's posts, dray what do u propose for us to understand. That another universe does not follow the rules of ours and matter could be created and destroyed there and thus this universe came to be? That's more of a fairy tale then the Greek Tale of Atlas holding up the earth on his back, at least that tried to make sense of the situation.

until you are mind closed like that, it will always seem abstract. and in fact, taht is what it is. the infinity of verses given by scientific theories such as the membrane theory make evth possible. Everything.

by **Disturbed** Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:17 am

but it really does not have much proof. And one of my professors, who is a something physicist by profession, agrees that it is absolute bullshit and mere philosophy.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:20 am

becuz he cannot fathom to believe in it. it is too scary. yet it can exist. the same way God can. why the theory of God isnt feared the same way as this one, THAT is what is weird.

by **Disturbed** Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:22 am

no he actually argued against it scientifically. Thats like saying there are vampires and werewolves but we cannot fathom it and are scared of them.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:24 am

argued it scientifically? you mean, found proof that prooves these theories wrong? then why isnt he divulging it and showign it to the world?

by **Disturbed** Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:27 am

no, but as in he showed how it is not actually following the procedures of a scientific theory, and that the ppl who made it do not really have a point because they've got nothing to really prove that it exists. Sure they got the math, but there's no experiment or scientific method available to confirm or disprove it and thus it is invalid.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:49 am

quick revelation here: most modern scientifical theories have lil more then maths my friend... we have reached a point where we must see beyond our eyes.

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