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Of course, this guy is very biased, but I'm happy I'm not an idiot
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thing944 wrote:Of course, this guy is very biased, but I'm happy I'm not an idiot
That means that you are biased?
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Bah, more Rep. v. Dem. shit. If you base all your arguments off of a political party, you're an idiot.
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I think there is a point where one party, look up declension theory, in times of social strife returns to ultra-conservatism. However, since Reagan, there have been no moderate republicans. Just look at Eisenhower, he called people who want to get rid of social security idiots, and that the party that wanted to do so would never go down favorably in our history books.
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You know how many problems could be solved if people STOPPED looking for fault with each other and actually did something productive? Seriously, I have stopped to consider all the stuff both you and Pto have posted to put down Rep/Dem and the amount of time considering length of video and length of posts is equivalent to days worth of time.
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Aardvark wrote:You know how many problems could be solved if people STOPPED looking for fault with each other and actually did something productive? Seriously, I have stopped to consider all the stuff both you and Pto have posted to put down Rep/Dem and the amount of time considering length of video and length of posts is equivalent to days worth of time.
we get exactly what we want, we voted for them, and we are reaping the crippling affects of our stupidity, Dems are the only ones willing to compromise, look at the healthcare bill.
I'm not looking for fault, I posted the video because it made sense to share the ideas. And the fact that Ptolemy and I have posted so much is a good thing, it means that we are engaging in one of the most precious traditions of any society, exchange of ideas and civil discourse.
Besides, there are only two sides, how are you supposed to say, "lets work together" when the other side never does. The stimulus was, what? 40% tax cuts? That is bad macroeconomics, every economist knows that
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And you're still doing it. You want to know how to work together, stop giving a fuck what you call each other. Exchanging ideas is only helpful if the other is willing to accept them, civil discourse is only useful if someone can be persuaded. You and Pto have both stated you won't be swayed from your respective sides so it's a waste of time.
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I haven't stated that ever. I've just said to show me the facts.
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Debates represent figures that translate into meaning depending on the person. There are no set "facts" just what the person decides the statistics mean.
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If I show you a stat showing that more people like dogs than cats, then would you tell me that more people like cats than dogs?
No
that is not how it works, shame on you.
No
that is not how it works, shame on you.
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No but if it's close I can argue that it's too close to call, if I don't trust the source I can say the stat was manipulated by taking place in an area dominated by dog owners. I can even infer that since a majority of Americans fall under the general category of "stupid" that dogs are the reason and that cat owners are therefore smarter.
That's how it works, and you know it, shame on you for trying to avoid it.
That's how it works, and you know it, shame on you for trying to avoid it.
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You know Aard this title applies to you at this point and I think you might catch my drift too xD
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True, but I'm bored. I ran out of anime to watch, nothing on TV, and I'm done with work.
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Holy shit you watched ALL ANIMES?That's like well simply a buttload of a buttload.
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Aardvark wrote:No but if it's close I can argue that it's too close to call, if I don't trust the source I can say the stat was manipulated by taking place in an area dominated by dog owners. I can even infer that since a majority of Americans fall under the general category of "stupid" that dogs are the reason and that cat owners are therefore smarter.
That's how it works, and you know it, shame on you for trying to avoid it.
That is called rationalization.
Say it was a Pew Poll, which is well respected, then what?
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@Serv The ones I'm interested in. I can list them if you want but it might take a few posts =P
@Nihil Everyone has a different opinion of well-respected. To many Fox News is well respected, but you won't listen to them. To others CNN is NOT well-respected but you would accept them. And yeah it may be rationalization, but in the Banned topic you posted vacation days as validation that someone wasn't using a certain amount of money when it didn't make a mention of the money spent during the vacations. You can spend one day shopping and use a shitload more money then I do in 2 weeks.
@Nihil Everyone has a different opinion of well-respected. To many Fox News is well respected, but you won't listen to them. To others CNN is NOT well-respected but you would accept them. And yeah it may be rationalization, but in the Banned topic you posted vacation days as validation that someone wasn't using a certain amount of money when it didn't make a mention of the money spent during the vacations. You can spend one day shopping and use a shitload more money then I do in 2 weeks.
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Aardvark wrote:@Serv The ones I'm interested in. I can list them if you want but it might take a few posts =P
@Nihil Everyone has a different opinion of well-respected. To many Fox News is well respected, but you won't listen to them. To others CNN is NOT well-respected but you would accept them. And yeah it may be rationalization, but in the Banned topic you posted vacation days as validation that someone wasn't using a certain amount of money when it didn't make a mention of the money spent during the vacations. You can spend one day shopping and use a shitload more money then I do in 2 weeks.
I have already shown Fox News as corrupt, what more do you want from me?
Also, your flawed logic is that Obama has infinite pockets. His salary is fixed. If he spent more than he had he would be in debt. ALSO IT DID HAVE TO DO WITH VACATION!
Ptolemy wrote:That big vacation that Mrs Obama took to Spain for her the kids and 7 - 8 close friends? US paid for... So as a monetary portion they do not get as much but the benefits they do get doubles or triples the actual salary.
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How about I show CNN as corrupt by the fact that whenever a controversial piece of legislation goes through they don't actually tell you what it does? I've run across this multiple times they just say, "OMG IT MEANS THEY'RE RACIST!" when it may have absolutely nothing to do with that. And Pto was trying to show that the salary of a President goes farther because 99% of their needs are paid for by the government, vacations included. You took it as an attack because he mentioned the President. Now stop getting off-topic, you made a leap your facts didn't specify which proves my point that the person decides what the statistics mean and therefore facts become fluid in a debate.
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Aardvark wrote:How about I show CNN as corrupt by the fact that whenever a controversial piece of legislation goes through they don't actually tell you what it does? I've run across this multiple times they just say, "OMG IT MEANS THEY'RE RACIST!" when it may have absolutely nothing to do with that. And Pto was trying to show that the salary of a President goes farther because 99% of their needs are paid for by the government, vacations included. You took it as an attack because he mentioned the President. Now stop getting off-topic, you made a leap your facts didn't specify which proves my point that the person decides what the statistics mean and therefore facts become fluid in a debate.
Aard you just posted in my thread about voting out the president... how can you say it was a personal attack?
Also, show me that CNN is corrupt? I don't think it is, in fact, I think it the least biased of all media outlets, and I watch NBC. I've actually seen them go through the healthcare bill.
Also
The president earns a $400,000 annual salary, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 non-taxable travel account and $19,000 for entertainment.[26][27] The most recent raise in salary was approved by Congress and President Bill Clinton in 1999 and went into effect in 2001.
The White House in Washington, D.C. serves as the official place of residence for the president; he is entitled to use its staff and facilities, including medical care, recreation, housekeeping, and security services. Naval Support Facility Thurmont, popularly known as Camp David, is a mountain based military camp in Frederick County, Maryland used as a country retreat and for high alert protection of the president and his guests. Blair House, located adjacent to the Old Executive Office Building at the White House Complex and Lafayette Park, is a complex of four connected townhouses exceeding 70,000 square feet (6,500 m2) of floor space which serves as the president's official guest house and as a secondary residence for the president if needed.[28]
For ground travel, the president uses the presidential state car, which is an armored limousine built on a heavily modified Cadillac-based chassis.[29] One of two identical Boeing VC-25 aircraft, which are extensively modified versions of Boeing 747-200B airliners, serve as long distance travel for the president, and are referred to as Air Force One while the president is on board.[30][31] The president also uses a United States Marine Corps helicopter, designated Marine One when the president is aboard.
The United States Secret Service is charged with protecting the sitting president and his family. As part of their protection, presidents, first ladies, their children and other immediate family members, and other prominent persons and locations are assigned Secret Service codenames.[32] The use of such names was originally for security purposes and dates to a time when sensitive electronic communications were not routinely encrypted; today, the names simply serve for purposes of brevity, clarity and tradition.[33][34]
I'd have to say, they would make a lot more in the private sector. Minus the temporary benefits. But of course, you see, they aren't living like Kings. Kings don't actually have work to do.
But please, I'm interested in them being corrupt, explain?
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Give me a controversial piece of legislation, all the ones I remember are out-dated now.
And apparently you still don't get my joke. Honestly, just google it.
And apparently you still don't get my joke. Honestly, just google it.
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However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.
GEORGE WASHINGTON, Farewell Address, Sep. 17, 1796
Not sure which one is the exact quote but they are basically the same.
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So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.
GEORGE WASHINGTON, Farewell Address, Sep. 17, 1796
Not sure which one is the exact quote but they are basically the same.
EDIT: Shouldn't this be in rancor pit....
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Did Daaaa just......quote George Washington therefore presentng fullproof argument to end the discussion at end?
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Haven't I said that before? That I believe a two party system is dangerous?
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