Re: Abortion? or No Abortion?

by **Aureus** Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:43 am

^ Good damn argument right there

by **Dray The Fingerless** Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:52 am

it is about killing the potential human being based on stupidity. there are things i dont blame someone for aborting to, but getting drunk, letting your pussy open for the night and waking up pregnant is fate i guess. your fault, stick with it, let it live, and then if you dont want it, give it away. i dont agree with killing potential life unnecessarily when there is obvious guilt to its creation.

by Nihil Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:10 am

I think about it this way, Men don't have to be equally responsible, and that is not fair, abortion levels the playing field giving women rights to their body. Trust me, it is NOT like women want to be cut open every time they are pregnant, I think that is important to keep in mind.

Dray, you are still thinking about it incorrectly, what is living, if you haven't really lived at all? You can't truly 'kill' something that doesn't experience anything. If you kill something that doesn't have a memory, an experience, or, really, anything, then you don't really 'kill' anything. That is how I liken it to a zombie.

I mean, how can anyone support abortion partially, in the case of rape, and then harass the cases that aren't part of rape? This is one issue where it is either you are on point A or B because it deals with, as you guys are putting it 'life'. If you think of it as true life, then abortion should never be allowed, if you allow it in cases of rape, then you are conflicted over its true meaning, at least in my opinion.

by **Disturbed** Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:30 am

I just did. And except for rape, it signifies how pathetic the people are in trying to justify ways in having as much sex as they want (which is immoral in itself) then not having to pay the consequences of it.

The things u stated as immoral as well are true but irrelevant. Especially when most religious texts do not state any such thing of killing others for no reason.

We've had this argument before, I remember stating something about not giving a fuck what it looks like, since it becomes a human. The reason we don worry as much abt killing a chimpanzee is that it is a chimpanzee and not a human. That alone counters much of ur argument, since we KNOW they are different regardless of how they look.

Oh yes its not fair that men don't have to pay when a girl opens up when drunk or otherwise before ready. If ur afraid of having a kid, don't go on late night dates, better, don't even get into relationships. This is the consequence of the current moral structure which is quite flawed, and maybe ppl should be thinking more abt prevention than cure. Granted accidents do happen, but they should not be happening at the frequency that American society faces them.

by Nihil Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:36 am

Sex isn't immoral, its life.

If we don't care about other things as much as humans, then is it any wonder that the world is dying around us as we build skyscrapers? A Chimpanzee shares 99% of our DNA, and it also experiences feelings and emotions, so why kill it? But do you know what doesn't experience feelings or emotions? A Fetus.

Finally, we could fix this problem, but only through higher taxation, which, god forbid we pay taxes to help ourselves in the long and short term. But, until then, people don't even have the education to understand these concepts, let alone truly grasp them.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:41 am

Nihil wrote:I think about it this way, Men don't have to be equally responsible, and that is not fair, abortion levels the playing field giving women rights to their body. Trust me, it is NOT like women want to be cut open every time they are pregnant, I think that is important to keep in mind.

Dray, you are still thinking about it incorrectly, what is living, if you haven't really lived at all? You can't truly 'kill' something that doesn't experience anything. If you kill something that doesn't have a memory, an experience, or, really, anything, then you don't really 'kill' anything. That is how I liken it to a zombie.

I mean, how can anyone support abortion partially, in the case of rape, and then harass the cases that aren't part of rape? This is one issue where it is either you are on point A or B because it deals with, as you guys are putting it 'life'. If you think of it as true life, then abortion should never be allowed, if you allow it in cases of rape, then you are conflicted over its true meaning, at least in my opinion.

you twisted my nickers right there. again. I didnt speak of life. i Spoke of potential, something a genocidal blabbering zombie will never have, unless Dr Robotnik creates a cure for zombification....right after creating zombification. I separate rape and willing stupidity, because as much as im against killing off potential, there is a person, innocent person, who will suffer for it. I dont know about you, but a life is a life, potential or not, this woman was here first, didnt sk for it, so i go for her and not for the baby. I am against it in stupidity cases because its her fault shes pregnant, unlike in rapes. She could of prevented or avoided this situation, but she chose not to, the point is the choice factor, and since she chose to be reckless and not care about getting pregnant, it feels to me that she cant really be innocent of carrying a baby, because she did in fact ASK FOR IT, in a drunken manner. I dont really speak of life, i speak of potential, and while i would be sad to see a raped woman abort, i would not cast blame or moral issue on her, unlike the tsupid fucking whore.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:45 am

And another thing Nihil, i know your too young to grasp what ill say, and you probably never will know this, living in the disfunctional society you live, but if you do get to that age and mental state, once you find out what its like to create a child, a potential human being, and if your normal, youll find abortion despicable. I guarantee you.

by **Disturbed** Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:19 am

Dray The Fingerless wrote:And another thing Nihil, i know your too young to grasp what ill say, and you probably never will know this, living in the disfunctional society you live, but if you do get to that age and mental state, once you find out what its like to create a child, a potential human being, and if your normal, youll find abortion despicable. I guarantee you.

by Guest Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:29 am

Disturbed wrote:u sure knw a lot abt condoms...and thing, don't even pretend u knw what he's talking abt

dandaman7 wrote:
thing944 wrote:And yet, Durex still breaks I bet.

Wasn't saying he knows what he is talking about.
And lol Cllyx.

hehe thats okay, he is young, girls are usually more expert at his age but how good is to ask girl for tips about it, they enjoy more if you know things about it. I would wait 18+ Thing, never be shamed if you dont know, or anyone else, dont pretend you know if u dont, ask, it's good to be informed on time and feel free to ask me anything what's not clear to you about it, but over xfire or pm.

Nihil wrote:but do you know what doesn't experience feelings or emotions? A Fetus.

u still kill a life, thing that can have emotions in future, u do harm to life form, it pays price for ur mistakes.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:And another thing Nihil, i know your too young to grasp what ill say.

he gave his opinion at least we know how younger generation think and mostly what they speak is written in a book, i do agree with u, his decision/opinion wouldn't be same leveled as now when he would actually have to face the moment. Females will pay more price with physical pain added on emotions if they still want to give birth and it's unfair since we males cannot share that with them, but hey it's not our fault, best we can do is to support them, not just to run away which can also trigger thoughts about abortion, but there are mothers who rises their children alone and tomorrow they are someone, i so respect those who have courage to do that no matter if everything is black.

by Nihil Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:23 pm

My mom supports abortion Dray, and I didn't mean that the Zombie was genocidal, just the definition of the zombie.

If you speak of it as potential, that is why I was talking about the cutting down the tree thing, it could end up killing a person, in some extreme example.

How can you not cast moral blame on the raped woman, she didn't ask for it, sure, but that is, again, the case of potential, as you said.

Perhaps it is, rather, that you wish to punish stupidity? Because it can't be right in one case and wrong in another.

by Guest Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:54 pm

stupidity, rape, not being careful, ..., can lead to girl be pregnant; partner leaving you alone to deal with it, fear, ..., a lot of different things can bring to abortion

didnt understand u best i think dray is not blaming (and it sldnt) raped girls in any way if they get pregnant, maybe if they do abortion after

when fire is in building and fireman needs to save some girl inside but he doesnt success its not anyones fault, when doc tries to bring baby on world he tries to save the mother as well, if she passes away its not anyones fault, they fought for life, for two lives, if mother kills her baby while pregnant then she is a murderer cos she did that not knowing will she have problem when time come, but doubting even if it could all pass naturally without any problems, she did that to save herself, she sacrifices innocent life just to save her ass, which is selfish cos it its for sure not baby's fault for her condition

by **Aureus** Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:12 pm

If ur against abortion u might as well be a vegetarian.

If your not, your a hypocrite

by **dandaman7** Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:23 pm

I don't eat aborted fetuses....

by **SouLCasT** Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:44 pm

And yet again, I ask you..Why do you open such retarded debates? Reasons:
1:I doubt any of you can do anything about it anyway, at least atm...
2:You know neither of you will agree with the other..
3:Flame war...

But, since it started, here's my opinion: How would you feel if your mom abort-..oh wait, you wouldn't be alive now, would you?

by **claudio** Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:11 pm

SouLCasT wrote:And yet again, I ask you..Why do you open such retarded debates? Reasons:
1:I doubt any of you can do anything about it anyway, at least atm...
2:You know neither of you will agree with the other..
3:Flame war...

But, since it started, here's my opinion: How would you feel if your mom abort-..oh wait, you wouldn't be alive now, would you?

I wouldn't have existed so I couldn't formulate an opinion to add to this "retarded debate" thread. So maybe the world would be just a little better Very Happy

by **Aureus** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:11 pm

SouLCasT wrote:But, since it started, here's my opinion: How would you feel if your mom abort-..oh wait, you wouldn't be alive now, would you?

I wouldn't care because I wouldn't know

by **SouLCasT** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:20 pm

My point was, you WOULDN'T EXIST..therefor, the fetus, which someday can become a fullgrown human being, will not exist. Therefor you deny a life. It's as simple as that.

by **Aureus** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:38 pm

And by denying that life u can make a better one for the alrdy existing mother and prevent that baby from a sheer hell

by **dandaman7** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:43 pm

Yea, who cares if it's just a potential baby...what really matters is that the mother is able to keep having unprotected sex without any problem....

by **Disturbed** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:46 pm

dandaman7 wrote:Yea, who cares if it's just a potential baby...what really matters is that the mother is able to keep having unprotected sex without any problem....

by **Aureus** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:52 pm

It's not as easy on the mother as it sounds

by **claudio** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:55 pm

My sperm is a potential baby but I still masturbate.

dandaman7 wrote:Yea, who cares if it's just a potential baby...what really matters is that the mother is able to keep having unprotected sex without any problem....

There are easier forms of birth control that don't involve getting pregnant in the first place. Abortion as a form of birth control is sickening when people do it for convenience sake

by **Tanya** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:56 pm

Once I wanted to do it, but I changed my mind when the day came to do it. I realized that I am not capable to do such thing. I just couldn't and it is hard to me to believe and it's sad that there are future possible mothers who can actually do that, I don't know how they don't have heart, to be capable to do something like that. Yes it brought me problems at first in life, it put my college on pause but I was so happy when I saw my son first time, it was happiest moment in my life. This September he starts school, he is 6. When I look at him I sometimes hate myself for what I planed to do, and that he had to grow up without father, I wasn't careful so it happened but now I am glad it did happen because he is something best that could happen in my life.

by **dandaman7** Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:57 pm

Then either learn to control your sexual desire or have protected sex. Not too hard.
Btw, interesting Tanya.

by **claudio** Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:00 pm

dandaman7 wrote:Then either learn to control your sexual desire or have protected sex. Not too hard.
Btw, interesting Tanya.

Well said, this is why sex education is important

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