Re: Abortion? or No Abortion?

by **Disturbed** Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:51 pm

well in those countries, ppl do things like killing baby girls so can't rly go there

by Nihil Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:20 pm

Disturbed wrote:precisely. The builders might not give a fuck and ask for compensation, but ppl involved in the greater scheme of things would care. And most certainly the person who's house it was going to be, but was not yet ready. Same way in abortion u r basically destroying the chance a new life had to move into this world by not giving the soul a home. And I find that wrong. However, I do agree it could be done in the first week or so cuz the chances of development there are something like 50/50 or less. After that, its wrong.

In the greater scheme, the only thing that i could relate that to in Abortion would be a deity.

also, feti can't think or feel.

by **MasterBaitinTroll** Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:07 pm

fuck abortion

by Nihil Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:18 pm

Kill a zombie.

perform an abortion.

Neither can think or feel.

More importantly, it is about feminine equality and individual rights.

Do you support abortion in the case of rape?

by **MasterBaitinTroll** Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:30 pm

hell no give it up for adoption sorry my best frein = product of rape

by **Dray The Fingerless** Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:32 pm

So a young lady goes on with her life, gets raped, and she has to be stuck with a child she never planned, and was forced upon, having to go thru pregnancy and labor? I can tell you like people.

by **MasterBaitinTroll** Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:35 pm

they cna give it up for adoption but abortion is killing a unborn child no madder how u look at it and whoever say they cant feeel how do we know jack ass

by Nihil Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:42 pm

Is killing a zombie killing a person?

by **Dray The Fingerless** Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:47 pm

Thats just dumb nihil. Make sth valid please.

by Nihil Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:01 pm

NO U

i'm trying to say that its like killing a zombie because it doesn't have feelings or emotions. It is just something that is, for sake of clarity, that is alive, but does not think or feel.

My mom always said that abortion wouldn't be the right choice for her, but she doesn't want anyone else to have the choice taken away if it was the right choice for them. And don't think that people just throw the babies out the door. We are hardwired to care for them, so it is always a difficult choice for women.

by **dandaman7** Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:37 pm

An unborn kid should be punished for the biological father's actions....

by **Thing** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:03 am

So, I'm not sure if you're serious or not.

But I don't really give a shit.

Let them live on with their lives, and again, it's not affecting you in ANY way. So stop giving a shit and mooooooooooooooooooooove right along.

by **Disturbed** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:38 am

Dray The Fingerless wrote:Thats just dumb nihil, like all ur dolphin/fish bullshit u were talking abt earlier. Make sth valid please.

by **soran** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:53 am

Disturbed wrote:
Dray The Fingerless wrote:Thats just dumb thing, like all ur dolphin/fish bullshit u were talking abt earlier. Make sth valid please.

by **dandaman7** Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:52 am

No, I wasn't being serious. Let's let people who hold people up in a street with a gun shoot people, as long as it doesn't affect you? That's not just a little selfish?

by Nihil Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:21 am

That affects living, thinking, and feeling beings, not a fetus.

by **Aureus** Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:54 am

Stem cells > Fetus

by **dandaman7** Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:37 pm

Do they both not have potential?

by **Aureus** Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:48 pm

Yeah but stem cells are always going to a good cause, while as an aborted baby is more often than not going to live ina shit hole their whole life

by **dandaman7** Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:52 pm

Adoption is an option.

by **Aureus** Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:53 pm

Yeah. But why get a kid for several thousand dollars here when u can get one much cheaper from another country?

by **Necal** Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:20 pm

Neural pathways don't finish forming in the Fetus till 24 weeks. And feeling pain is considered an afterthought. As such, till 24 weeks you cannot make it feel pain through this. I'm pretty sure they are still working on when it starts to think.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/10403496.stm

So.... any abortions before the 24 weeks have no chance of making the fetus feel pain.

Also.... I can't believe I'm about to say this.... Nihil was right.

.... I feel so dirty.

by **Thing** Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:54 pm

Necal wrote:I can't believe I'm about to say this.... Nihil was right.

.... I feel so dirty.

Just let it out man...

Let it out.

by **dandaman7** Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:58 pm

Necal wrote:Neural pathways don't finish forming in the Fetus till 24 weeks. And feeling pain is considered an afterthought. As such, till 24 weeks you cannot make it feel pain through this. I'm pretty sure they are still working on when it starts to think.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/10403496.stm

So.... any abortions before the 24 weeks have no chance of making the fetus feel pain.

So if pain is the only issue, then how do you feel about partial-birth abortion?
And to the Nihil part:

thing944 wrote:

Just let it out man...

Let it out.

Jk Nihil.

by **Disturbed** Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:04 pm

pain is not the issue. Let us list the issues that are concerning most ppl.

1. Is it life or not at that stage? That is undecidable and science will never give a set answer to that. THe reason is that biology is a process and there is no set 'point' were anything happens. That phase is up to the individual beliefs of the public.

2. Should a potential child be killed in order to atone for the mistakes of the mother? I believe not since most of the cases are not 'rape', going to a bar with ur bf and getting drunk then jizzed up is not rape, just ur stupidity. If we keep trying to get rid of consequences then we will always have the same problems. Generally, around the 3-4 week mark I think, the fetus is almost assured to become a child. Before that there are more than 50% chance that it will not even go through, naturally. I think that is the most reasonable place to draw the line.

3. Should a child be brought into a world we know he will suffer in?

Why should he suffer? If unable to care for him just go and give him for adoption. Who are we to decide whether he wants to live or not, or that he is bound to suffer? I think the society at large needs to start thinking more about the causes for so much teen pregnancy and abortions.

In the case of actual rape though, I certainly believe the woman should have the right to get rid of it.

This decision has to be moral based and not too science based since basically, science will not give you the answers. The reason ppl love factual debates because it makes it look like their side has undeniable proof. Problem is, that just makes a useless debate since there's obviously a few facts that can't be argued with. Making facts where there are none just make a debate worthless.

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