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Re: Muslim mosque near 9-11 site
OT infraction to Soran.
There are other places to joke in this forum. This is not one of them.
There are other places to joke in this forum. This is not one of them.
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Re: Muslim mosque near 9-11 site
all those people died to save lives on 9/11, and then thousands of troops gave there lives protecting us and trying to prevent this from happening again.
i do not believe that they have to build the mosque so close to ground zero its not needed.
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is funding this mosque he is a member of the Saudi Royal Family he has ties to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who is the President of Iran which you know is crazy, he also has ties to Osama Bin Laden the man who planed and funded the 9/11 attack not to mention he is the one who trained the people who flew those planes. I just don't think its patriotic to build it there...
i do not believe that they have to build the mosque so close to ground zero its not needed.
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is funding this mosque he is a member of the Saudi Royal Family he has ties to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who is the President of Iran which you know is crazy, he also has ties to Osama Bin Laden the man who planed and funded the 9/11 attack not to mention he is the one who trained the people who flew those planes. I just don't think its patriotic to build it there...
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Re: Muslim mosque near 9-11 site
wich people died to save lives on 9/11 some firemen true, but firemen give their lives thru out the world on a daily basis. as for the troops...no, just no haize. you know very well the whole counter attack was a stupidity. Let me ask you something. If ETA, a terrorist group in France and Spain, if ETA was behind 9/11, would you have hauled into France and Spain, invade their countries just to look for them? No. Those soldiers, yes they are to praise for being brave and being loyal, but their lives were a mismanagement of the government. I respect the soldiers, but their sacrifice was more wasteful that fruitful, and i blame that government for sending men in a holy grail quest.......and that holy grail is black n greasy.......and comes out of the ground.....
There are other mosques in Manhattan. NOT so close to ground zero as this one, but they are like 10 minutes distance from it.
Also, the Saudi Royal Family cares about money my friend, A LOT. They are the capitalists of the muslim world. Probably easiest identifiable people with America.
There are other mosques in Manhattan. NOT so close to ground zero as this one, but they are like 10 minutes distance from it.
Also, the Saudi Royal Family cares about money my friend, A LOT. They are the capitalists of the muslim world. Probably easiest identifiable people with America.
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a lot of people gave there lives a lot of regular people gave there lives and police firefighters and paramedics dray and if you think for one second that any of them would want this then you are crazy.
i agree we are there now for the oil but in the beginning it was to stop Saddam Husein.
Also regarding the Saudis we will go to war with them next for there oil when they attack us after there current leaders die because the rest of that family are just crazy radical's
i agree we are there now for the oil but in the beginning it was to stop Saddam Husein.
Also regarding the Saudis we will go to war with them next for there oil when they attack us after there current leaders die because the rest of that family are just crazy radical's
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Re: Muslim mosque near 9-11 site
and what exactly did saddam hussein have to do with 9/11?
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he was harboring terrorists
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i wont even discuss WHY thats not a viable explanation. no. not an excuse to invade a country. the whole iraq war was a fluke and any attempt to excuse it will make you look bad. if you want to find sth viable, talk about the afghanistan invasion in search of bin laden.
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The whole war in Iraq thing was kinda like...
CIA: "eh, sir, Al Qaeda just blew up some towers in NYC..."
G.W.B "YEEHAW LEZ GO GET'EM"
CIA: "Our intelligence shows they are located in Afghanistan"
G.W.B: "WELL THEN LETS GO TO I-RAQ!"
I think the whole thing was about oil, the Iraq war, I mean, whose b.s idea was it that stabilizing Iraq would stablizie the entire region!
You know what?
Lets talk instead about those fire fighters and police who risked their lives ON 9/11 and, now, CAN'T GET MEDICAL INSURANCE!
Why aren't people out on the streets protesting this republican madness!!!!
Anthony Weiner is my hero
CIA: "eh, sir, Al Qaeda just blew up some towers in NYC..."
G.W.B "YEEHAW LEZ GO GET'EM"
CIA: "Our intelligence shows they are located in Afghanistan"
G.W.B: "WELL THEN LETS GO TO I-RAQ!"
I think the whole thing was about oil, the Iraq war, I mean, whose b.s idea was it that stabilizing Iraq would stablizie the entire region!
You know what?
Lets talk instead about those fire fighters and police who risked their lives ON 9/11 and, now, CAN'T GET MEDICAL INSURANCE!
Why aren't people out on the streets protesting this republican madness!!!!
Anthony Weiner is my hero
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Re: Muslim mosque near 9-11 site
well regardless of being 9-11, even if it wasnt 9 11, i think those forces, police, firemen, paramedics and all, should get medical insurance by default.
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Well, they don't...
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what is going on lol...haize, America is not as goodie goodie as you think...we dont live in Hollywood where ppl are sent heroically to right all that is wrong.
What dray said pretty much, if terrorists were french Im pretty sure we wouldn't see millions of American troops dancing into their country and ordering their armies about while killing random local groups.
I still don't support the idea of mosque because its playing with fire...we're giving more fuel to already biased Americans to bring out their hatred. Its not a big deal to me or any sane ppl..but lots of ppl have no lives and their daily mood depends on such things.
What dray said pretty much, if terrorists were french Im pretty sure we wouldn't see millions of American troops dancing into their country and ordering their armies about while killing random local groups.
I still don't support the idea of mosque because its playing with fire...we're giving more fuel to already biased Americans to bring out their hatred. Its not a big deal to me or any sane ppl..but lots of ppl have no lives and their daily mood depends on such things.
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I agree with you Dist, on a praticality level, i think its best the mosque isnt built, because then its gonna be a cavalcade of annoing news reports and daily show interviews and bullshit protest.
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If anybody actually reads the koran and sees a few lines where it says you can lie kill and pretty much do whatever is required to convert somebody to their faith... yeah.. i think they stretch that to terrorism, and that the book itself is BS... (i diddnt read 7 pages b4 posting this)
just my thoughts.
just my thoughts.
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xzavier wrote:If anybody actually reads the koran and sees a few lines where it says you can lie kill and pretty much do whatever is required to convert somebody to their faith... yeah.. i think they stretch that to terrorism, and that the book itself is BS... (i diddnt read 7 pages b4 posting this)
just my thoughts.
The Bible states that you can sell your own daughter, kill your neighbour if he plants more than one thing, stone to death anyone who works on a saturday, etc etc.
Lets leave the books and the religion out of this shall we? You dont see the billions of muslims in existence going around killing people do you? So im guessing, me in my naive view, that they, as muslims, knowing better than you or me, know that the Koran does not order such things. And if it does, they are reasonable enough not to take a book word by word, as the christians have learned to do.
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I think not building it would be worse, because, then the terrorists will have won, because they want to frighten us. Besides, building it shows our strength in diversity and that we acknowledge that there are extremists and that they don't reflect the main stream
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Yeah but normal people dont think like that nihil. Its like Dist said, its just gonna feed the trolls.
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i agree with that dray, its all a matter of interpretation, you can stretch something to be insane.
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-already-knows-everything-he-needs-to-know-abou,17990/
Look at that, the onion made a funny about it by stating everything that is true about people who don't like the idea of building a mosque 2 blocks away from GZ
Look at that, the onion made a funny about it by stating everything that is true about people who don't like the idea of building a mosque 2 blocks away from GZ
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Well when a Husband is killed by Terrorists, and he supported his wife and 2 kids, views tend to go negative.
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as do views when a husband/kid/daughter is killed by an American drone attack or random military operations which ppl dont even knw the reason for happening. Americans are not the only victims of unforeseen violence. Its just that, because of better living conditions here, being in danger is something completely alien to American society...while in other countries it is the norm and while tey will grumble against it, they just shrug and live with it. Can't say which way is right.
Nihil..most ppl don't view it that way and won't...and xzav, lying to get someone to religion is not allowed, killing someone who has not done anything to you is forbidden, pretty much doing any negative thing on anyone else is forbidden.
There was once a Jew whose land was being taken by a newly converted muslim because the Muslim considered himself better and ok to abuse non muslims. When the prophet heard of this, he not only gave the Jew his land back..but forced the muslim to give some of his own land and/or money as well.
So tolerance is preached but not followed. Besides, as dray said, it is irrelevant.
Nihil..most ppl don't view it that way and won't...and xzav, lying to get someone to religion is not allowed, killing someone who has not done anything to you is forbidden, pretty much doing any negative thing on anyone else is forbidden.
There was once a Jew whose land was being taken by a newly converted muslim because the Muslim considered himself better and ok to abuse non muslims. When the prophet heard of this, he not only gave the Jew his land back..but forced the muslim to give some of his own land and/or money as well.
So tolerance is preached but not followed. Besides, as dray said, it is irrelevant.
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OK! Xzav that is one of the biggest things not understood about Muslims!
In fact, they have it the most logically put!
It is that they may lie about their religion to PRESERVE THEIR OWN LIVES
/exasperation at the lies of the media and such
In fact, they have it the most logically put!
It is that they may lie about their religion to PRESERVE THEIR OWN LIVES
/exasperation at the lies of the media and such
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Dr. House wrote:
Everybody Lies.
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Re: Muslim mosque near 9-11 site
Speaking of...
This is not OT, this shows exactly what you guys were debating about.
This is not OT, this shows exactly what you guys were debating about.
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Re: Muslim mosque near 9-11 site
ya basically, thankyou for the graphic interpretation of the U.S bully.
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haize wrote:he was harboring terrorists
Hussein was one of the biggest anti-terrorist proponents in the middle east. Most dictators are. Cuba is very strict against terrorism and there is none to be found. Iraq was strict as well, and the violence was contained and terrorism was at a very low level, certainly not a level that could affect anything outside Iraq. The same is not true today, Iraq is literally infested with terrorists and angry people. The USA literally destablized the entire region by playing cowboy.
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