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Where is the line drawn for making fun of religion?

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Post by Sqrl Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:53 pm

I'll speak my peace:

I say no matter what religion you are (Atheist, Christian, Buddist, Muslim etc) i dont give a damn. Your attitude and what you do in the world is what judges your being. As far as jokes it really is like what aard posted about 4 pages ago. About how there are 3 categories people fall under.

People believe in what they WANT to believe or are forced to believe (no bias from me btw) but religious jokes in my mind are ok to a certain extent, or is taken to the point where said person of that group or religion feelings get hurt. I can take a joke trust me i live in a racist area of Pennsylvania i'll have you know.

If you dont think i've heard some not-so-nice remarks towards religions and skin color boy your wrong. Point being that i think that religion as in discussing it here in this clan is a bad idea due to many people of other religions are against or biased towards another group, race, or religion. We shouldnt discriminate against people for their religion.

I like what Hero did with the questions of Christianity Thread. It was a great start. If we can actually LEARN about other peoples religions instead of ridiculing them; we would actually not have threads like these.

But of course im not stating one side of the spectrum. Oh no no, i will address the other side of the spectrum as well. People who think that there religion is being verbally attacked, should really get some sense of humor. Now this doesnt mean that every single joke you take. It depends on how extreme the joke is. If its like a silly little joke from someone laugh with them, i've found out that if you laugh at yourself you become stronger than being defensive all of a sudden. Having a sense of humor whether irl or here in JKA, you will gain more of a good spirit and attitude.

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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:11 pm

and it is somewhat hipocritical coming from religious people to get offended, or even get affected by insults. Your greatest prophets, Buddah, Jesus, Mohammed, would not hinder or even fickle at the most vile of attacks. Why is it that you cannot follow this example? Buddah and Jesus both suffered from malicious publicizing, both being called con artists and such. Jesus himself died in the cross, suffered grevious punishment, and did not raise one hand or complaint to his attackers, because he was above it all. If you can be above it, not only will it make you a better person, it will also nullify any insulting effect people try to move across. The more people become untouched by offensive attacks, the less powerful these attacks become. Christianity, of all religions, has been bashed so much, so many times, that it is EXTREMELY hard to find something insulting towards a christian. They simply dont care, and most of them nowadays, will find it funny. So it has become that offensive jokes towards christianity have little impact nowadays, or no impact at all, simply because they have lost their power.
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Post by Disturbed Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:32 pm

what you say dray, is both right and wrong. First of all, if it is a particularly demeaning or nasty joke, then yes, it is necessary that you point out that a line has been crossed. Christians may not care any more because of that, but that does not mean it's a good thing. The method you described is used often by media etc. to normalize things that they believe society would rather have...5-6 years ago it was considered wrong and indecent to have more than one girlfriend even in America, now its pretty much what everyone does, ppl just don't say it that much. And nudity on screen is another example, porn has always existed ofc, but back then there were some limits, now they have society pretty much walking around with all the girls trying to be free foir hire sluts.

Yes, it all depends on the severity of the joke. Jokes are fine, but do not in any way insult the religion deeply. Some jokes go too far and end up bordering on malice.
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:35 pm

There is insult, and then there is comedy.
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Post by Nihil Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:54 pm

Dray The Fingerless wrote:There is insult, and then there is comedy.

How come you said what i was trying to say in one sentence? DAMN YOU MULLIGAN!
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Post by Necal Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:23 am

The following applies to everything, not just jokes on religion.

The line comes when you refuse to let the other person speak. The subject matter, the content..... I couldn't care less if you say.

In the words of Voltaire; I do not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Post by Disturbed Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:05 pm

sometimes there is plain insulting comedy
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:19 pm

no, only what you choose to be insulting. an insult is one when there is intent behind it. this is a major problem with mankind, one that i wouldnt even try to fix becuz people are too lazy/do not want to change. it is YOU who see the insult, not the person who did it. if you were to meet me in person and i said sth insulting to you that i wasnt aware of, i would not say sorry. it would come as more insulting to you, but that is because of your presumption that the person has the duty to apologize, and you have to right to be apologized. that is a fallacy. i spoke out of ignorance, not out of insult, hence, what i said did not carry any insult. one must not apologize for ignorance, otherwise, the whole bloody planet needs to say sorry.

if i said sth, i would prolly just say " didnt know" and carry on. the ability to laugh at yourself and at your beliefs, once in a blue moon, only makes you healthy. clinge too hard to sth, and you become extremist.

im pretty sure jesteful mockery, practiced by many comedians, as well as south park in massive quantities, is still considered comedy. there is no directed attack behind it, just the intent to laugh and entertain.
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Post by Disturbed Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:36 pm

not everything is meant to be a joke. Just because they are comedian does not mean they can say and do anything. A comedian overstepped the line and made inappropriate remarks about Sarah Palin's family and she took him to task for it, and rightly so. (BTW, I absolutely dislike Sarah Palin and am as far as possible from a supporter of her as can get). If someone fudges up out of ignorance I let them know, not get over their ass over it. But when someone is making fun of something, it sure as hell is not ignorance, they know what they are getting into. A teacher once referred to the Prophet as 'that guy' and I politely let her know abt it, did not expect an apology even tho I did get one. It just tells how some people are decent and some ppl.........are just living this life and going through the motions, not realizing what life really is


























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Post by Nihil Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:28 pm

Ya, but don't forget that Letterman had been attacking her almost nonstop.
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:31 pm

so i guess your gonna go after everyone that mocks Nazis or Bush too Dist? btw, that includes you in that list.
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