Re: Suicide.

by **Champion** Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:53 am

YinYang wrote:i myself wake up every morning and consider suicide. dont give me that bullshit about how i would be hurting people either cause you dont know me or the people around me and i can assure you that no one would care.

What about us *******? Guess we are just "internet" people and don't count.

by **Aureus** Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:42 pm

What about ur siblings O_o?

by BgFighter/Ghost Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:56 pm

Committing suicide ... never came thru my mind ,not that i want anyway. I think its worst way to pass away. I prefer to die fighting instead of just taking teh pills or aiming the gun to my head.

by **soran** Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:05 pm

Master CoG wrote:What about ur siblings O_o?

eh long story but thats why he hasnt done it yet

by **dandaman7** Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:27 pm

YinYang wrote:i myself wake up every morning and consider suicide. dont give me that bullshit about how i would be hurting people either cause you dont know me or the people around me and i can assure you that no one would care.

We both know that's a lie

soran wrote:
Master CoG wrote:What about ur siblings O_o?

eh long story but thats why he hasnt done it yet

Keep that private

by **YinYang** Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:03 am

Champion wrote:
YinYang wrote:i myself wake up every morning and consider suicide. dont give me that bullshit about how i would be hurting people either cause you dont know me or the people around me and i can assure you that no one would care.

What about us *******? Guess we are just "internet" people and don't count.

dont get me wrong champ i know that you guys would be sad atleast for a little while, but its not like it would effect you all that much.

edit: actualy this thread was made to let people share there opinions. if anyone wants to debate this with me just catch me on xfire ok?

by Guest Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:37 am

YinYang wrote:
Champion wrote:
YinYang wrote:i myself wake up every morning and consider suicide. dont give me that bullshit about how i would be hurting people either cause you dont know me or the people around me and i can assure you that no one would care.

What about us *******? Guess we are just "internet" people and don't count.

dont get me wrong champ i know that you guys would be sad atleast for a little while, but its not like it would effect you all that much.

edit: actualy this thread was made to let people share there opinions. if anyone wants to debate this with me just catch me on xfire ok?

YinYang is just to strong too do something like that, he is just in that period of life when you loss yourself, but world is just like that how we see it. When you look from different perspective even with same ways it can look totally different, as well as any situation. Am glad this thread came out and you were open YinYang, you let us know something is bothering you, I will not speak about details i respect your privacy, but now when I know you better I can freely say that you will be perfect example for those who have courage, will, strength to fight all shitz on way and that can eventually save others from thoughts and doing suicide which means you are saving lives, and that you have my deep respect knowing that other people who had those thoughts will stop thinking about it once when they see you, the real you, the strongest person I know for. We may are just internet people but never underestimate power of words, what is most important that you learn to value your life more then others will value your life for you. You can always talk to me (as well as anyone else) about anything what troubles you, before (or after) things come in public like this time, just xfire meh and I'll give you my best honest opinion and advise.

by **Champion** Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:24 am

YinYang wrote:
Champion wrote:
YinYang wrote:i myself wake up every morning and consider suicide. dont give me that bullshit about how i would be hurting people either cause you dont know me or the people around me and i can assure you that no one would care.

What about us *******? Guess we are just "internet" people and don't count.

dont get me wrong champ i know that you guys would be sad atleast for a little while, but its not like it would effect you all that much.

edit: actualy this thread was made to let people share there opinions. if anyone wants to debate this with me just catch me on xfire ok?

See thats why they say suicide if selfish, because perception is reality, and there is not a suicide or death of someone I have known that does not resonate with me to this day and will most likely forever.

by **rsG** Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:07 pm

i think the worst thing someone can do is die a useless death, and if yinyang did kill himself i would be upset, because he has been one of those mature people who just enjoy playing the game and not flooding it with stupid drama. Your all human beings who make their own choices, i believe that no one is useless in this world a homeless bum could save you from being hit by a car, or push you in front of one....

by **Shinobi Kenshi** Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:09 pm

by **haize** Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:03 pm

imo suicide is for cowards its for people with no back bone its just the easy way out of things

by **soran** Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:00 pm

see now haize ya shouldnt say shit like that. that is just pure ignorence

by **Ptolemy** Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:06 pm

haize wrote:imo suicide is for cowards its for people with no back bone its just the easy way out of things

by **Champion** Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:31 pm

Suicide itself takes more balls than many will give credit for. You have to wonder what storm is going on in someones head where they are brave enough and fucked up enough in the head to actually do it.

I think the act itself is brave, but the motivations behind it are usually 99% cowardly. People call those who commit suicide cowards because they do not have the balls to face reality and life and deal with it. I have seen people from third world countries (not talkin out my ass, I actually lived there) who's families was murdered, lost his job and almost everything and yet he still to that point desired to struggle and put it all together again.

I think the problem today is we hav all this SHIT around us, Internet, Soccer Club, Homework etc etc etc the pressure is just TOO MUCH for a human to take and when something big happens we just give up. Now that guy in Honduras I mentioned, his life was simple. His only view on what was important is having a wife and kids. To him, everything that means something in life are clear visible goals. Here in this culture nothing is clear. You need that iPod and that iPad, you need the big screen TV and that cool new car. You need you need you need and when you finally meet most of those needs a whole new set of needs comes along.

Its impossible to have a clear picture of the future in this country, and a human without a clear future is a lost confused one prone to suicide.

by Nihil Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:44 pm

Champion wrote:Suicide itself takes more balls than many will give credit for. You have to wonder what storm is going on in someones head where they are brave enough and fucked up enough in the head to actually do it.

I think the act itself is brave, but the motivations behind it are usually 99% cowardly. People call those who commit suicide cowards because they do not have the balls to face reality and life and deal with it. I have seen people from third world countries (not talkin out my ass, I actually lived there) who's families was murdered, lost his job and almost everything and yet he still to that point desired to struggle and put it all together again.

I think the problem today is we hav all this SHIT around us, Internet, Soccer Club, Homework etc etc etc the pressure is just TOO MUCH for a human to take and when something big happens we just give up. Now that guy in Honduras I mentioned, his life was simple. His only view on what was important is having a wife and kids. To him, everything that means something in life are clear visible goals. Here in this culture nothing is clear. You need that iPod and that iPad, you need the big screen TV and that cool new car. You need you need you need and when you finally meet most of those needs a whole new set of needs comes along.

Its impossible to have a clear picture of the future in this country, and a human without a clear future is a lost confused one prone to suicide.

I completely agree:

Its hard to say that it is cowardly, but we understand how it is cowardly, fear or unwillingness to step up to problems, but at the same time, it takes a whole lot of courage to end your life. I also see how it is selfish, because, you take away what other people knew about you and those feelings that had for you, prematurely.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:57 pm

It is brave on a primal, animalistic level. Suicide while a human action, uses animal power to achieve itself. The bravery comes from the ancient part of your brain, where you simply go into a adrenaline, hormone bananza. The normal human being does not go his day having those bananzas. However, i think an act of bravery is much more valuable when it originates in your clear conscience and reasoned mind. A man who fights his way despite atrocities, has a much more valuable bravery to me than a person who is actually capable of suicide. Not talking about death moments, im tlaking about seeing your little chances and still planning your success. That bravery is not hormone induced, nor disrupted in your primeval brain section. It is the use of the human mind to overcome obstacles. The definit and evolutionary purpose behind the creation of the rationale.

To put it short, suicide is just bravery caused by hormone frenzy, fighting in life is bravery by rationale, it is what i call 'true' bravery. No distorted mind, no hormones. Just pure thoughts.

by **Champion** Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:32 pm

Bravery does not = intelligence.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:43 pm

Bravery is the ability to confront fear, pain, danger. I am simply valuing bravery sources. I believe when you are brave because your brain is twisted and turns into a hormone pool, you are less brave then those who achieve bravery without the help of those.

by **Champion** Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:15 pm

You make it seem almost as if bravery is not a concious decision. While it is nice to understand how something works, we would be foolish to dismiss the minds power over making those things work.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:20 pm

Yes, but you must understand i dont think bravery in suicide is unconscious. I think it is conscious. HOWEVER, in order to harm yourself, your functional brain must be subdued. Either that or its disfunctional already in some way. That subduction is done by hormones. If you want to kill yourself, and trully try it, youll find the capability to do so needs your brain to be, if even partially, subdued. That is where the unconscious part comes, where you release hormones of adrenaline mostly to heighten your acts and overreact your brain. The strength is voluntary, but its not true human strength, unlike a man in the shacks who is experience a long term bravery. He is facing fears not by heightening his adrenaline, but by saying to himself, rationally, im gonna overcome this. He doesnt need drugs in his head, he is simply using it to overcome.

by **YinYang** Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:54 am

dray do you like psycology?

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:41 am

Yes i thrive in it. It is most amusing.

by **Champion** Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:24 pm

Dray The Fingerless wrote:Yes i thrive in it. It is most amusing.

Thats sick man. I hope you never learn how to read human body language you will just become more of a manipulator.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:37 pm

oh dont get me wrong. im not evil. i like understanding the human mind. I dont support manipulation, it is stagnating, degrading, and cold. To treat humans as tools. And on top, it stagnates mind development, reducing diversity and evolution. and if anything else, my curiosity for this subject PREVENTS me from being easily manipulated. For example, i can about 80% of times guess whos gonna be sith and whos gonna be jedi, i simply need to know 2 or 3 facts about a person. And of course, not know what they gonna choose lol

by Nihil Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:08 pm

Dray, I'd say overcoming adrenaline is strength, not necessarily courage, it is hardest for us to resist biological urges, sex drive and what not, thus, the drive to life is hard to overcome, it is really courageous, though not in a good way, to commit suicide.

People don't commit suicide on the spur of the moment, well, I suppose some do, but, most of the time, it is waited out and, like fine wine, ferments into a more powerful emotion. Its like asking yourself, would you take your own life or live in Darfur. Most people would choose to live rather than die. I believe that people actually take the time to consider death, rather than go ahead and act upon a thought.

To themselves, though fallaciously, they are both the hero who stays behind to die and defend others and a coward. Its much easier to say you would like to live than to say that you would like to die.

Most importantly, I suppose too, it is important to distinguish between acts of bravery that are good and bad. Think about it like this, Japanese Kamikaze fighters. TO THEMSELVES they were brave, to, say, Americans, they may have been brave or foolish. However, what it boils down to is purpose, and the suicides of people usually feel that they ARE accomplishing something and sending a message.

Its important to stress that we would all choose to live than die, so, it has some value of bravery.

Dray, would you call Socrates suicide cowardly? Or seppuku of Japanese Generals and such? It has some value of bravery and some of cowardice.

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