Suicide.

by **Shinobi Kenshi** Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:30 pm

1. Right or Wrong?
2. D'you think a man/woman have the rights to end their life of pain/bad stuff in a way that affects everyone around you?
3. What can you do to see if anyone dear around you are planning a suicide?
4. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want with their life, but is it right to let others get sad/broken cause of they're not willing to stay alive?

I had 2 friends that committed suicide together on their birthday (Twins) by hanging themselves.

Is there any possible way to be For suicide?

Discuss.

My opinion:
Suicide. Project_04_full

by **Sqrl** Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:47 pm

imo its stupid. Suicide is a stupid way to end everything. I've known people who have thought about killing themselves over the stupidest of things. From girlfriends and boyfriends leaving them, to family issues. To me a right to commit suicide isnt really a right but a decision. Its not bound by law to commit suicide (cept in stupid little things i've read that state the penalty of suicide is death. -.-) But my point is its stupid. Seek help if you feel like your going to do something bad to yourself. Whether it be a friend or a pschychiatrist.

by Guest Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:30 pm

everyone's problem is biggest, someone will want to do suicide for breaking glass and someone cos he doesn't have a leg or arm, but they feel one the same, no will to continue with life they don't want to. there are really people who have courage to move on and suffer the rest of the life with permanently consequences and they probably think that suicide is stupid, but also there are those who have courage to do suicide, they think that suffering the rest of your life is stupid. Either way you do it you turn as coward or a person who has courage.

My answers on your questions:

1. Suicide is right, if a human wants to end its life then it is not important how it affects people around, it's not important to the human.

2. If would someone (dear me) plan to do suicide I will try to stop it anyway I can, but at the end it's not my decision.

3. It isn't right to let anyone to be sad/broken, you need to try anyway to help them, but it also ends with helping them to live or to die. If in war me and my friend are, and he is badly hurt and there is no way he can make out, that it will end with his death and I can't help him, but he is still alive feeling the pain and asks me to kill him just to stop it faster then to let him in pain few min/sec more, I would hold strong his hand and would kill him on spot. If I'd see any other solution to make him in future healthy again I would try to help him to stay alive, but if I fail with that I'd regret entire my life why I didn't kill him when he asked me to.

by **MasterBaitinTroll** Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:41 pm

Cllyx u just made my day! PM me i will explain!

by **tRibaL** Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:56 pm

to me, suicide is the weak way of not being able to deal with your problems, its giving up. and a lack of motivation. Suicide is for the people who quit trying to fix their problems and decided to deal with them, then they coudlnt take it anymore and diddnt want to change because they diddnt want to change.

in other words, if your depressed, instead of trying to find motivation, you dont care and are quitting on yourself and life, not dealing with your problems because you have this false impression that you cant. I think suicide is wrong.

I dont think someone should have the right to end their life. Its the back door out, its somebody not wanting to face reality. I dont see the need to commit suicide, well, i see the WANT, not the NEED. Its like why do you want to cause pain on others. I think somebody shouldnt have the right ot kill themself. There are so many references that i can point to that show it, i believe one of them was when seventy some kids were fooled by a jester and commited suicide as the hales comet passed, or the bicentennial

http://www.bullyonline.org/schoolbully/cases.htm theres a fairly long list of just school realted situations, and thats not the half of them.

OR mabye does anyone remember the columbine? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre that was a scare, i coudlnt believe that someone would give anybody the right to do something like that. That was illegal, but those bastards who were bullying the kids got what they deserved, since 99% of bullies get away with 0 punishment, this happened. I am pretty sure what they decided as were giving up on life, so why not if were gonna die, kill those bastards who were bullying us forever, so they did. Simple as that, this is wrong.

If you still havent gotten my point. I'm against suicide. and i don't believe it fixes anything.

to answer your three questions:

1: Wrong

2: i do not think they should be able to give up if they are in pain, and i wouldnt consider it suicide if somebody was stuck in a hospital with tubes in his neck (my grampa) sucking out mucus and puss out of his lungs, i cant remember exactly the situation, but ik him doing drugs in his younger years caused it, so he was able to live perfectly fine, except the fact he was in constant agony due to tubes spouting from his neck. He was dying already, he asked the doctors to take the tubes out, he signed alot of crap, but i do not consider that suicide. i consider that dying because he was already dying, he wanted a swift death rather than a long and painful one. thats not suicide. Yes it hurt as all, but he was relieved and we were happy to know that he wasnt in pain anymore.

3. I would comfert that friend and be there for him, and show him there is stuff to live for. (in fact, ive already done this, my friend [may as well be a sister] was going to commit suicide, like lijitly, and her mom diddnt care, she would be glad that her daughter died, but anyway i talked her out of hit and we went on a walk and talked for a good threw the night. but yea, shes alive and happy now) I believe you should stop them, if you dont, gl living with regret.

4. if its a deal of your already dying, then pulling the plug on whatever machine is keeping you alive is different than i just lost everything, but instead of working again, im gonna jump of tall building X. I dont think its right for somebody to kill themself because there sad.

this is my Suicide. 876345

by **Shinobi Kenshi** Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:58 pm

Great opinions, really!

I found this Swedish site about suicide, they're for suicide and have listed thousand of ways to commit suicide, walkthroughs on how to do it.

http://www.sjalvmord.com/
I am extremely mad at this site ... It's just so Fucking wrong!! (Sorry for bad word.)

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp;
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

by **tRibaL** Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:05 pm

edited post to answer your questions

by **Aureus** Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:24 pm

There's no right answer imo. There is no "right & wrong." It's if the person's got the balls to live, or the balls to die. If they're seriously thinking of suicide I doubt they're thinking of what OTHER people feel like or will feel like. But here are my answers:

1. Neither
2. They shouldn't but they will always be allowed to
3. Talk, explain, pray, and help
4. Of course it's not right, but it's ultimately the suicidal person's decision, at which point the probably won't care

by **Ptolemy** Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:36 pm

Suicide is the single most selfish act a person can commit.

One that commits suicide is so consumed with them selves that they have no consideration for those around them all they can see is what is wrong with them... not what is right.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:46 pm

Ptolemy wrote:Suicide is the single most selfish act a person can commit.

One that commits suicide is so consumed with them selves that they have no consideration for those around them all they can see is what is wrong with them... not what is right.

There is also the event of simply not being that impressed with this world or this life. Simply not seeing importance in anything in this world, because most people dont find that one thing that makes them move. Just most of them are too scared of the other side more than this side, so they dont kill themselves. Hell, if i had not found that one thing, id probably be a totally different person. That one thing put evth into perspective for me, else i would have no love, no honor or no care for anyone, including my family. Simply because it would be impossible to see the meaning or interest or importance in such things. The trick is to realize that since your gonna die anyway, might as well keep looking for it. Also, its all the parents fault. 20 or 30 years ago you didnt see this big a number of suicide tolls. Parents simply softened up kids, didnt present them with challenge or misfortunes, fed them with a golden spoon, and when something goes unperfect, even if just slightly, they feel like their world is crumbling, because they have never had difficulties in life. Oh and another thing, if Cllyx can do it, i challenge anyone to try and do the same. All in all, FUCK YOU PARENTS, YOU RUIN SOCIETY.

by **tRibaL** Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:53 pm

agree with dray.

by **Shinobi Kenshi** Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:55 pm

Just to make it clear. I am not looking for answers, I am looking for opinions. Me myself have no problems with life at all, I am overhappy and perfectly satisfied with me life.

Just to make it clear to those who wonder.

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Great opinion there Dray. That was a great post, pos repped.

by Guest Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:59 pm

Dray The Fingerless wrote:Oh and another thing, if Cllyx can do it, i challenge anyone to try and do the same.

If I can do what?

by **Ptolemy** Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:08 pm

Dray The Fingerless wrote:
Ptolemy wrote:Suicide is the single most selfish act a person can commit.

One that commits suicide is so consumed with them selves that they have no consideration for those around them all they can see is what is wrong with them... not what is right.

There is also the event of simply not being that impressed with this world or this life. Simply not seeing importance in anything in this world, because most people dont find that one thing that makes them move. Just most of them are too scared of the other side more than this side, so they dont kill themselves. Hell, if i had not found that one thing, id probably be a totally different person. That one thing put evth into perspective for me, else i would have no love, no honor or no care for anyone, including my family. Simply because it would be impossible to see the meaning or interest or importance in such things. The trick is to realize that since your gonna die anyway, might as well keep looking for it. Also, its all the parents fault. 20 or 30 years ago you didnt see this big a number of suicide tolls. Parents simply softened up kids, didnt present them with challenge or misfortunes, fed them with a golden spoon, and when something goes unperfect, even if just slightly, they feel like their world is crumbling, because they have never had difficulties in life. Oh and another thing, if Cllyx can do it, i challenge anyone to try and do the same. All in all, FUCK YOU PARENTS, YOU RUIN SOCIETY.

First *don't, didn't, everything and imperfect Razz

I tend to agree with you Dray. Parents need to be more realistic in their treatment and preparing their kids for the real world. you have to be able to instill your belief system in them. teach them to set goals and help them find focus. you have to prepare them for the ups and downs and always be there for them...

A parent should be involved in every aspect of their kids life so you know them and they know you. I am sure you will not prevent all suicides but parental involvement will head off a lot of it.

by Guest Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:26 pm

Cllyx wrote:
Dray The Fingerless wrote:Oh and another thing, if Cllyx can do it, i challenge anyone to try and do the same.
If I can do what?

by **Aleksi U** Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:13 pm

Those who commit suicide because their life being so ''bad'' is wrong; They have better life than people in let's say like in Somalia.
I know few refugee children from Somalia; some of them have lost their parents or never see them again.
Those who commit suicides seem not to understand that their life is actually pretty good comparing to peoples life in Somalia as an example.
And most of the time they can easily get the help they need, but instead they don't give a damn.

And so, i think it's just sad, pathetic and selfish.

by **Tanya** Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:19 pm

I agree.

by **dandaman7** Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:19 pm

And many of themselves think that they are 'sad and pathetic', which results in them doing things.

by Nihil Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:59 pm

We are all terminal...

So I suppose there really is nothing to be angry about Shin

by **rsG** Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:59 pm

Sqrl2k wrote:imo its stupid. Suicide is a stupid way to end everything. I've known people who have thought about killing themselves over the stupidest of things. From girlfriends and boyfriends leaving them, to family issues. To me a right to commit suicide isnt really a right but a decision. Its not bound by law to commit suicide (cept in stupid little things i've read that state the penalty of suicide is death. -.-) But my point is its stupid. Seek help if you feel like your going to do something bad to yourself. Whether it be a friend or a pschychiatrist.

What about people who have cancer or a very painful disorder and doesnt want to live with the pain? Or someone who is paralyzed? or even someone who feels they deserve to die because of something theyve done for example a soldiers mistaken kills a child and feels the only way to make things right is to kill himself. to kill yourself to SERVE others. A man kills himself for insurance money for his family, or a soldier who jumps on a grenade to save his buddys, or is left behind to provide covering fire while his buddy's run for the chopper (actually happen apparently during the vietnam war) or a martyr. what if someoen doesnt have friends or money for a psychiatrist, or doesnt have that luxury. Someone should definitely have the right to take their own life, and the reason their own. Most people are confused and depressed and feel hopeless. But there is always hope.

by **rsG** Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:07 pm

Aleksi U wrote:Those who commit suicide because their life being so ''bad'' is wrong; They have better life than people in let's say like in Somalia.
I know few refugee children from Somalia; some of them have lost their parents or never see them again.
Those who commit suicides seem not to understand that their life is actually pretty good comparing to peoples life in Somalia as an example.
And most of the time they can easily get the help they need, but instead they don't give a damn.

And so, i think it's just sad, pathetic and selfish.

i saw a movie called war photographer and this was a scene in the movie that made me have that same view point. https://www.youtube.com/user/invanz0#p/a/u/1/yNKIhSHPpVc

heres a trailer to the movie! fucking insane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pPxqWe7j1U

by **Ptolemy** Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:06 pm

rsG wrote:
Sqrl2k wrote:imo its stupid. Suicide is a stupid way to end everything. I've known people who have thought about killing themselves over the stupidest of things. From girlfriends and boyfriends leaving them, to family issues. To me a right to commit suicide isnt really a right but a decision. Its not bound by law to commit suicide (cept in stupid little things i've read that state the penalty of suicide is death. -.-) But my point is its stupid. Seek help if you feel like your going to do something bad to yourself. Whether it be a friend or a pschychiatrist.

What about people who have cancer or a very painful disorder and doesnt want to live with the pain? Or someone who is paralyzed? or even someone who feels they deserve to die because of something theyve done for example a soldiers mistaken kills a child and feels the only way to make things right is to kill himself. to kill yourself to SERVE others. A man kills himself for insurance money for his family, or a soldier who jumps on a grenade to save his buddys, or is left behind to provide covering fire while his buddy's run for the chopper (actually happen apparently during the vietnam war) or a martyr. what if someoen doesnt have friends or money for a psychiatrist, or doesnt have that luxury. Someone should definitely have the right to take their own life, and the reason their own. Most people are confused and depressed and feel hopeless. But there is always hope.

There is quite a bit of difference between HEROIC SACRIFICE and suicide! That man stays behind to save others! That sacrifice should NEVER be viewed in the same light as a coward killing them selves to avoid situations or feelings they do not want to deal with! That very thought is offensive to me! I would gladly step in front of a car or a bullet to save my wife or my son. that DOES NOT make me suicidal! that means thier lives mean more to me than my own. Thos that make such a sacrifice should be honored not spat upon by comparing thier sacrifice to suicide!

I am going to calm down now....

by **rsG** Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:23 pm

rsG wrote: "There is quite a bit of difference between HEROIC SACRIFICE and suicide! That man stays behind to save others! That sacrifice should NEVER be viewed in the same light as a coward killing them selves to avoid situations or feelings they do not want to deal with! That very thought is offensive to me! I would gladly step in front of a car or a bullet to save my wife or my son. that DOES NOT make me suicidal! that means thier lives mean more to me than my own. Thos that make such a sacrifice should be honored not spat upon by comparing thier sacrifice to suicide!"

I am going to calm down now....

but if you know your gonna die, and you even want to die or volunteer to die i would still consider it suicide. they dont call them sacrifice bombers. maybe it shouldnt be called suicide but its directly connected and almost the same thing. Can suicide be sacrificing your self from pain? a suicide mission is a suicide mission weather you blow yourself up to kill others or you die fighting for something. "honored not spat upon by comparing thier sacrifice to suicide" the wiki term for suicide is "is the term used for the deliberate self-destruction by a living being, resulting in their own death." if you want to get yourself killed but do it in a sacrificial way for an unhonorable thing, what does that make you?

by **Ptolemy** Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:28 pm

rsG wrote:
rsG wrote: "There is quite a bit of difference between HEROIC SACRIFICE and suicide! That man stays behind to save others! That sacrifice should NEVER be viewed in the same light as a coward killing them selves to avoid situations or feelings they do not want to deal with! That very thought is offensive to me! I would gladly step in front of a car or a bullet to save my wife or my son. that DOES NOT make me suicidal! that means thier lives mean more to me than my own. Thos that make such a sacrifice should be honored not spat upon by comparing thier sacrifice to suicide!"

I am going to calm down now....
but if you know your gonna die, and you even want to die or volunteer to die i would still consider it suicide. they dont call them sacrifice bombers. maybe it shouldnt be called suicide but its directly connected and almost the same thing. Can suicide be sacrificing your self from pain? a suicide mission is a suicide mission weather you blow yourself up to kill others or you die fighting for something. "honored not spat upon by comparing thier sacrifice to suicide" the wiki term for suicide is "is the term used for the deliberate self-destruction by a living being, resulting in their own death." if you want to get yourself killed but do it in a sacrificial way for an unhonorable thing, what does that make you?

in your mind maybe. in mine the mere comparison is an attempt to cheapen the sacrifice

by **YinYang** Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:48 am

i myself wake up every morning and consider suicide. dont give me that bullshit about how i would be hurting people either cause you dont know me or the people around me and i can assure you that no one would care.

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