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Thats too bad chap, because, if I recall, the russian lost to Rocky

Nihil wrote:Thats too bad chap, because, if I recall, the russian lost to Rocky

Who said who was who? Assumptions assumptions.

Who would say I must break you? Cause, technically, that would be a double post for yin

Nihil wrote:Who would say I must break you? Cause, technically, that would be a double post for yin

Infraction issued: Yin (double posting)

O.o

Yin's in for a bruisin'

oh shi XD

actualy i just got done watching "the best of the best 2" for the first time

if you haven't seen it it's a good movie and well lets just say that the big guy losses at the end

YinYang wrote:oh shi XD

actualy i just got done watching "the best of the best 2" for the first time

if you haven't seen it it's a good movie and well lets just say that the big guy losses at the end

I love the best of the best.

I KNOW RIGHT?

i have had the first one for as long as i remember and it is probably like one of my favorite movies but i never had the chance to see the other ones

Champion wrote:

bzyk wrote:he don't fight like 3 years if I good remember bet yes he was one of the best polish boxers

He was not only one of the best polish boxers, he was one of the best in the world. He just faught very dirty... low blows, biting and lots of other barbaric shit LOL I loved that guy.

i wasn't right, he had last fight in this year. It wasn't good fight for him and he said it's hes last fight

why use a gun when u can have a bomb?

bzyk wrote:

Champion wrote:

bzyk wrote:he don't fight like 3 years if I good remember bet yes he was one of the best polish boxers

He was not only one of the best polish boxers, he was one of the best in the world. He just faught very dirty... low blows, biting and lots of other barbaric shit LOL I loved that guy.

i wasn't right, he had last fight in this year. It wasn't good fight for him and he said it's hes last fight

Yeah, like Mike Tyson he has only gone down hill.

YinYang wrote:personaly i rely on my speed, accuracy, flexibility, and use of blind spots and positioning to dominate my opponents

Yin I fight almost the same way hehe, from what I've heard from you is that we're similiar to the same build. But the way that I fight is that I can use power if I want too but normally I rely on my speed and land a lot of hard blows in a short amount of time. Or I just look for an opening to the head and I do an inverted front kick to the stomach to fake them out and lower their gaurd then do a round kick to the face.

But I have been in a fair share of school fights as well, not because I'm rude and start my own fights, purely just for the reason that 80% of the people in my school are assholes who go looking for a fight everyday. Anyway, when I get into a fight before the rumble begins I study how they are going to fight and normally end up kicking their face...very hard and they end up on the ground. Ah well, that's just me. There have been numerous occasions on which I have had to do different, and that was all just technique.

Anyway, we really should spar if we get the chance sometime Yin.

ok heres how fights generally break down
2 people with similar strength-> technique wins
BUT when you fight for your profession
2 people with high degree of technique-> stamina wins
UFC fighters are buff because fat people have lower staminas than their fit counterparts, plus no one wants to see the pillsberry dough boy's fatty man tits bouncing around

Is Russian Sambo, a martial art?

Don't get mad at me if its a noobish question.

Dr.Rabbit wrote:Is Russian Sambo, a martial art?

Don't get mad at me if its a noobish question.

While the term was originally coined to fit asian martial arts, martial arts itself means the art of war. Thus any training that involved killing or incapacitating another human is considered a martial art in my opinion. Russian Sambo is designed to take someone down and hurt them bad. To me that is the very essence of a martial art.

The difference between street fighting and martial art is huge and I'm surprised that with your high degree of training you failed to make a decent argument. Just take a look at Bob Sapp. In a short period of time, he learned enough of this street fighting that he could stand up, even win on occasion, to the more experienced 'street fighters'.

Martial Art is not just the art of defending yourself and taking out your opponents. It is also about philosophy, not only fighting philosophy but life philosophy as well. So, to truly study a martial art you need to dedicate your entire life to it, because even if your body reaches the level at which you can preform all the 'moves' you have to wait for your mind to mature enough to the point where your mind and fist are one. And that's art.

Furthermore, I can post 100 quotes from Bruce Lee right now and each and every one of them will have depth, purpose and value. How many quotes can you post from the people you listed above that aren't your usual "I'M GONNA KILL YOU' crap?

And here's a quote from Myamoto Musashi that explains the difference between a cut and a slash. You can draw a parallel between punches or kicks

To cut and slash are two different things. Cutting, whatever form of cutting it is, is decisive, with a resolute spirit. Slashing is nothing more than touching the enemy. Even if you slash strongly, and even if the enemy dies instantly, it is slashing. When you cut, your spirit is resolved. You must appreciate this. If you first slash the enemy's hands or legs, you must then cut strongly. Slashing is in spirit the same as touching. When you realise this, they become indistinguishable. Learn this well.

-From The Book of Five Rings

vedran wrote:The difference between street fighting and martial art is huge and I'm surprised that with your high degree of training you failed to make a decent argument. Just take a look at Bob Sapp. In a short period of time, he learned enough of this street fighting that he could stand up, even win on occasion, to the more experienced 'street fighters'.

Martial Art is not just the art of defending yourself and taking out your opponents. It is also about philosophy, not only fighting philosophy but life philosophy as well. So, to truly study a martial art you need to dedicate your entire life to it, because even if your body reaches the level at which you can preform all the 'moves' you have to wait for your mind to mature enough to the point where your mind and fist are one. And that's art.

Furthermore, I can post 100 quotes from Bruce Lee right now and each and every one of them will have depth, purpose and value. How many quotes can you post from the people you listed above that aren't your usual "I'M GONNA KILL YOU' crap?

And here's a quote from Myamoto Musashi that explains the difference between a cut and a slash. You can draw a parallel between punches or kicks

To cut and slash are two different things. Cutting, whatever form of cutting it is, is decisive, with a resolute spirit. Slashing is nothing more than touching the enemy. Even if you slash strongly, and even if the enemy dies instantly, it is slashing. When you cut, your spirit is resolved. You must appreciate this. If you first slash the enemy's hands or legs, you must then cut strongly. Slashing is in spirit the same as touching. When you realise this, they become indistinguishable. Learn this well.

-From The Book of Five Rings

No offense, but I think your head if full of mumbo jumbo. The only philosophy a warrior needs is how best to disable his opponent. If I had 2 guys, 1 who prayed with incense all day and practiced a little and spent time at some temple, and another guy trained by scientists who used the latest training techniques, I would put my money on guy number 2.

i would have to agree. this mental philosophy idea is just a means to achieve mental concentration and calmness, something that training and sparring a lot will do naturally.

Karnage wrote:

YinYang wrote:personaly i rely on my speed, accuracy, flexibility, and use of blind spots and positioning to dominate my opponents

Yin I fight almost the same way hehe, from what I've heard from you is that we're similiar to the same build. But the way that I fight is that I can use power if I want too but normally I rely on my speed and land a lot of hard blows in a short amount of time. Or I just look for an opening to the head and I do an inverted front kick to the stomach to fake them out and lower their gaurd then do a round kick to the face.

But I have been in a fair share of school fights as well, not because I'm rude and start my own fights, purely just for the reason that 80% of the people in my school are assholes who go looking for a fight everyday. Anyway, when I get into a fight before the rumble begins I study how they are going to fight and normally end up kicking their face...very hard and they end up on the ground. Ah well, that's just me. There have been numerous occasions on which I have had to do different, and that was all just technique.

Anyway, we really should spar if we get the chance sometime Yin.

yea dude i love sparring so if we ever get the chance we should definately have at it. also my defensive move is the cut kick, i realy appreciate when the guy is comeing in hard on me and i make him run his own sternum into my foot

Champion wrote:No offense, but I think your head if full of mumbo jumbo. The only philosophy a warrior needs is how best to disable his opponent. If I had 2 guys, 1 who prayed with incense all day and practiced a little and spent time at some temple, and another guy trained by scientists who used the latest training techniques, I would put my money on guy number 2.

You completely missed the point. By your definition anyone who has been in a dozen or so street fights is a martial artist. Just because they know how to take a man down doesn't make them 'artists' in any sense. I never mentioned guys praying all day and doing martial arts as a hobby. Read about Myamoto Musashi. That's a guy who fought in over 60 duels in his life, all to the death, and never lost one duel. And after that he wrote one of the most revered books in the martial arts community. That's a 400 year old book by the way, and people still study from it.

Someone put a Rocky video a few pages earlier. One guy was trained by scientists and used the latest training techniques and the other punched frozen meat. We all know how that fight ended.

I don't know why you don't like MMA fighters being labeled as street fighters. Street fighting has all the components and qualities you're advocating. Fastest way to disable your opponent using any method (read:dirty trick) in the book. Technique is not as important as long as the job gets done.

vedran wrote:

Champion wrote:No offense, but I think your head if full of mumbo jumbo. The only philosophy a warrior needs is how best to disable his opponent. If I had 2 guys, 1 who prayed with incense all day and practiced a little and spent time at some temple, and another guy trained by scientists who used the latest training techniques, I would put my money on guy number 2.

You completely missed the point. By your definition anyone who has been in a dozen or so street fights is a martial artist. Just because they know how to take a man down doesn't make them 'artists' in any sense. I never mentioned guys praying all day and doing martial arts as a hobby. Read about Myamoto Musashi. That's a guy who fought in over 60 duels in his life, all to the death, and never lost one duel. And after that he wrote one of the most revered books in the martial arts community. That's a 400 year old book by the way, and people still study from it.

Someone put a Rocky video a few pages earlier. One guy was trained by scientists and used the latest training techniques and the other punched frozen meat. We all know how that fight ended.

I don't know why you don't like MMA fighters being labeled as street fighters. Street fighting has all the components and qualities you're advocating. Fastest way to disable your opponent using any method (read:dirty trick) in the book. Technique is not as important as long as the job gets done.

Martial arts means what I said. If you want to turn its meaning into something else, or use some authors meaning of it that your business. Traditional asian martial arts are beautiful indeed, but they are not the most practical form of defending oneself anymore IMO. Most martial arts developed over great distances, independant of one another. Now that we can exchange ideas we can refine overall fighting itself.

And yes, if someone goes through 6 street fights and learns enough from it that he can now defeat 90% or more of the population (like many traditional martial artists can) then he is a martial artist. The term "street fighter" really means nothing. A well trained martial artist could be a "street fighter" and fight for money in backyard brawls, Ive even seen you tube videos.

Well, how well you can defend yourself with a particular martial art depends entirely on the person who is using it. There are only so many ways you can attack and I'm sure every 'style' has a counter for each of those attacks. It all depends on the person.

Claiming that a common thug who's been in 6+ street fights is a martial artist is completely ridiculous. I'm not even gonna go there.
Anyway, I see that you're dead set on your opinions so I'm not gonna try and make you change your mind. It would be a futile attempt. I said what I wanted to say.