TaeKwonDo

Okay, a lot of people (mostly my friends) have been asking me what the deadliest martial art is? Well they asked me because I really am a 1st degree black belt in TKD (TaeKwonDo). In my opinion I think TKD is very brutal and can show-up most martial arts. Here is a vid that you all might enjoy that clearly explains why TKD can really fuck you up if you know how to use it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awh3Z2A6ZRA&feature=related

And btw I can do some of those kicks Oh and the students at my school do not wear the chestgaurds, only for full contact.

(I posted this topic for anyone who is interested)

interesting... do you participate in competitions like that? and i like your new sig... very nice

Jealous much ,CoG?

No such thing as the "Deadliest" Martial Art. I've got varying belt levels in three martial arts of widely different origins, but most of them have the same effectiveness when used, just different ways to go about it.

Yes ,and depends on person who is using them.

TaeKwonDo...hmmm....strong martial arts. quick, agressive, damaging. weakness...closeness. loses strength, various openings up close. Has strengths and weaknesses like any other form of fighting. Deadliest Martial Arts? hmm...only one that teaches you offical kill moves. Ninjutsu. All can kill. only one teaches you to specifically. Still, doesnt mean strongest. Only nomenclature use. Use of various martial arts, most effective.

In my opinion, one of the strongest forms of Martial Art is Aikido. Aikido is strictly using your opponents movements and attacks to your own advantage. It has no form of attack on it's own, it just counters all other attacks thrown at it. You get a Master at Aikido and it is a sight to behold. I've seen a Master take down an entire room full of high belt Tae Kwon Doists. The style focuses on minimizing your own energy by not attacking at all, and just adjusting your opponent's attacks to suite you.

I never got very far in Aikido when I tried it, only one or two belts up, because my older training kept kicking in and overriding the Counters. I will tell you one thing though, if you learn Judo and Aikido and learn how to combine them, you can take out a shit load of people.

well i am also a first degree black belt and i have competed in some tournaments were the fights realy do happen like they did in this video, it actualy is very normal to see this kind of fighting at the level that i competed at

and trust me when the guys you fight are moveing that fast and your not watching from the sidelines but instead are actualy in the fight you only have like .25 seconds to react it gets very intense and the amount of stamina it takes to just stay alive is incredible

Indeed, and no I'm not saying TKD is better than any other martial art, and yes Spidey I do compete in competitions like that . But yeah, when you're competing what Yin said is exactly what happens. Also another one I might add is Hap Kito can break bones easily, another dangerous one.

The deadliest martial art is shooting this thing:




One dude armed with that can take out an entire batallion of Kung Fu masters (if he has enough ammo and the distance at start).


And hasn't MMA been proven to be the most effective form of street fighting? Take the best from all martial arts and combine them into one art, MMA.

But if you know you can't just train MMA. MMA are rules not matrial art. If you looking for something like MMA try valetudo, kravmaga or Brazilian jujitsu it's something like pure death. I was training all of them but they too brutal, i can't defense now cos when someone attack me he become... he need doctor help . Now I'm judo fighter for half year and it's good if you want to protect your self without any damage.

bzyk wrote:But if you know you can't just train MMA. MMA are rules not matrial art. If you looking for something like MMA try valetudo, kravmaga or Brazilian jujitsu it's something like pure death. I was training all of them but they too brutal, i can't defense now cos when someone attack me he become... he need doctor help . Now I'm judo fighter for half year and it's good if you want to protect your self without any damage.

MMA in itself has become its own art. Look at the UFC for instance, all those fighters train in various camps and schools yet they all perform the same basic moves because those same basic moves are the most effective. To me, MMA schools teach the best of the best, and most other strict schools of martial arts are limited and will eventually be defunct. Just look at aards comment about how he was so ingrained in his formal training that he can no longer learn aikido. That is a limitation. MMA gets rid of that by bypassing useless crap and using the good stuff.

MMA will never be a martial art to me, simply organized street fighting. That does not mean it can't be brutally effective, but to me at least, it will never be a true martial art.

How is it not a martial art? It teaches exactly what other martial arts teach, how to defend oneself. I bet an MMA master will trash just about any other martial art master, all things even. To me that is the most effective form of martial art.

Why don't you view it as a martial art? It emphasizes both forms of combat, ground and standing. I fail to see how its "Street fighting" (which usually just consists of haymakers, sloppy kicks, screaming like a girl and pulling someones hair).

The same reason I don't treat boxing and wrestling alike even though they work on a lot of the same principles. Martial Arts are about technique, it doesn't matter how strong you are, it's about the technique. MMA is virtually the opposite, you can't do MMA unless you are already damn strong, and the moves are just ways to exploit your strength. Compare the size of your average Martial Artist to your average MMA practitioner and you'll see what I mean.

Martial Arts are techniques that allow you to defend yourself and do a lot of damage now matter your build. I've seen a 60 year old woman put a 20 something body builder in a mat hold for almost 20 minutes.

MMA are techniques that take advantage of your already built up body to inflict more damage then you would normally be able to.

I've never heard that in my life. MMA draws techniques from various arts. And to be honest, MMA is mostly just Brazilian jiu-jitsu mixed with tae-boxing. At least the most effective forms and that is the direction most fighters seem to be taking now. Brazilian jiu-jitsu is NOT about strength, its purely technique. Don't believe me? Watch the first 3 UFCs and Horace Gracy as he beats guys who are 100 pounds more muscle than he is before the UFC had weight classes. I am still trying to understand you here, and not just think you have it in for MMA. Can you explain exactly how strength matters in MMA?

Just look at the average MMA. You're talking at least 200 pounds and more often then not, closer to 300 pounds of heavily muscled man. They wouldn't need to be like that if it didn't have a heavy reliance on strength. I have never once seen an MMA that was less then 200 pounds, but I've seen plenty of MA that were just a little over 100.

MMA uses technique to augment strength. MA uses technique to replace strength.

Aardvark wrote:Just look at the average MMA. You're talking at least 200 pounds and more often then not, closer to 300 pounds of heavily muscled man. They wouldn't need to be like that if it didn't have a heavy reliance on strength. I have never once seen an MMA that was less then 200 pounds, but I've seen plenty of MA that were just a little over 100.

MMA uses technique to augment strength. MA uses technique to replace strength.

Aard really now? Those guys are in shape because they train to fight in professional fights. The average martial artist only learns to defend himself. These guys train to kill another person. It makes sense they would want to be in the strongest and more fit shape possible. And ive seen MMA fighters who dont train much, they are chubby and not very muscular and they do fine. Not to mention, as I said most of the wrestling moves are drawn from Brazilian jiu-jitsu, which requires no strength at all. And as for standup kick boxing, of course it requires strength. Any striking art requires strength to do damage. I don't believe in some mythical Dim-mak pressure point system. You need brute force to make the brain hit the skull casing hard enough to render the person unconcious. Thats what striking is.

I think the problem here is you are having a hard time letting go of the past. Traditional martial arts are a beautiful thing, dont get me wrong. And its still fun to watch matches in those arts. MMA just seems more realistic though, more practical. I think we can embrace both for what they are. Traditional MA as something for exhibition and showboating (and the occasional sparring tournament) while MMA shows the grittier side of martial arts. The more technical and practical form.

This is just a separating issue for me. I have no problem saying MMA is highly effective, but it is street fighting in my opinion. There's simply no work around for me when you compare what professional MA and MMA look like. MA have the lean build that has strength, but also dexterity, while MMA have a power build that focuses more on taking and giving hits. Don't think I mean to diss any of them, my dad is great at street fighting, he took my sensei to the ground more then a few times and he has no formal training, but you could not call what he does a martial art because it focuses heavily on his build.

Here is the most effective and dangerous MMA fighter on the planet IMO. Look at his build...



Another top tier fighter:



Considered the pound for pound best MMA in the business. He is lean, but not big at all:



Considered one of the best MMA fighters.... Machida:



BJ Penn, one of the most dangerous fighters ive seen in MMA:



The list goes on and on. IN fact, it seems the stronger and stockier they are, the more they lose LOL

I still end up seeing them resort to near brute force in fights, something I don't see in MA that I've practiced.

You've practiced. But have you actually used it in a real situation more than once? If you avoid fights you will probably never need to even use it once. I would say most moves in any martial art requires at least some form of strength. If you think that 60 year old lady could twist my arm behind my back or flip me I would love to see her try. And I have no belt in any martial art. In fact, I would put 50$ on me body slamming her before she does anything to me.

But I see your point, but I still feel you are just having trouble letting go. You know, the whole 80's martial arts thing where everyone wanted to learn Karate and Tae-kwan do.