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Post by Aureus Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:45 am

Amen, and America is just too bad ass to do it again =)
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Post by Disturbed Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:52 am

meh idk, I would certainly not put it past America to do that.....now if Iran takes Israel down, America comes in and gets its ass whooped....idk where i gonna move then >.>
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Post by Nihil Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:53 am

LOL

Israel probably has a better military force than America!
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Post by Disturbed Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:56 am

who cares, they don't have the boom boom factor that we do
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Post by Nihil Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:58 am

you mean nukes?

thats what I don't like, if we are going to criticize Iran for nukes, then wtf aren't we criticizing Israel for nukes, because they are basically known to have nukes, even if they haven't said that.
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Post by Aureus Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:07 am

Dist u can move to Ireland with meh and we can be teh room mates =D.

We keep discussing nukes but there are many other factors that we need to account for more then 1 country. America and Great Britain/Wussy ass French along with Russia. All Allies, that will easily keep that alliance with one another. All of them vs Iran? Allies 1 - Middle East 0
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Post by Disturbed Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:10 am

no I don't mean nukes, its a lil subcontinental joke with reference to one of our sportsmen xD. Anyways....yes if Iran can't have them then neither should Israel. Personally, I think if America and Israel set the example by getting rid of their nukes then they could think of forcing other nations to do the same.

Oh and its not just Iran...add up Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and most other Muslim countries and then allies would be fucked 90 times over. The West is trying their best to prevent such an alliance of Muslim countries, but if they keep attacking the religion and pushin g like that, then its going to happen.
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Post by Aureus Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:13 am

Good point xD, but if America of all the countries were to get rid of its nukes, then an enemy country might think of jus ending it there. If America was to give up basically its main power and fear, then all of the countries that hate it because of that might attack. Idk my head hurts atm srry if I don't make any sense but try to pick out the parts that do xD
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Post by Nihil Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:29 am

You know, I'm all for any country, and I see no reason that we can't get along with any other country, its just that sometimes, a lot of the time, Americans stick their noses in everybody's business far too often.
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Post by Disturbed Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:54 am

precisely. Yeah i thought of that...but the West could offer to give up its nukes at the same time as other countries. Tlevised all ove rthe world. It will take major organization, but will also bring some stability to this world
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Post by Nihil Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:04 am

Speaking of America, and pertinent to fixing it, I just read two AWESOME articles in Newsweek,

Here is one of my favorite writers, Fareed Zakaria on Debt
http://www.newsweek.com/id/234277

Here is a thought provoking essay on America's political system
http://www.newsweek.com/id/234267

And here is something I always suspected might happen, the, slight, redemption of Bush through Iraq, FYI, the article's head is this

""""Rebirth of a Nation
Something that looks an awful lot like democracy is beginning to take hold in Iraq. It may not be 'mission accomplished'—but it's a start.""""
http://www.newsweek.com/id/234281
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:14 am

I'm personally sick and tired of what people have to say about America's government. The government was generally instituted to do what is best for the people and avoid tyranny and a powerstruggle. I think that if you aren't doing anything to help solve America's national debt and two sided government, then you shouldn't be able to run around screaming "the government is the worst thing in the world." Sure these whiner people can be of benefit because they can sometimes be creditable people, but too many of them is like a bunch of babies. Who need a diaper change. Has anyone noticed how conservative women are the most annoying occupants of the field of whiners? That's why I say NO to Sarah Palin. The last thing America needs is a woman as president or vice president. But oh look! We got Obama. Half of the nation voted for him because of his skin color. Half of America voted because he used "change" as his campaign basis. The man only has 7-8 years of experience as a senator!

Anyways, I think America is in the hole. It's a nation founded on great virtues, yes. But that didn't last long enough. But personally, I think anywhere a man tries to develop something like a nation, it will fall into tyranny with time.
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Post by Aureus Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:24 am

^ I agree when i get out of college im goin to ireland and working with my grandpa

Downfall is inevitable, It's a sad thing and can be pushed off for a long time but it happens. I do NOT believe it will happen to America now. People like Glenn Beck need to gtfo. People like Sarah Palin need to gtfo. People like George Bush actually had an idea of wat they were doing, no matter how fked up it was. Obama is busy planting gardens rather then doing shit. No I won't do anything about it. Because, basically I'm a 15 year old sophomore with no credibility. Shadow u say it like everyone can take action. Matter of fact, a lot do. But either they are completely denied, or they're worse then then the people now. I live a good life in America and I don't have any impacts of it's failures hurting me now. Like I said, I haven't experienced the world for what it is yet, nor what America is really like. BUT, I have a plan on how I'm going to live and how my life will be like. All America needs, is to make a plan, and commit. If someone doesn't want our help... Fine! Who are we to enforce our "goodness" and "democracy." If there's a threat of an enemy taking over a country that doesn't want our help, so be it. BUT, if that country has nuclear power then and is an enemy of America... Rain a shit storm on them so hard they won't try to fight again. The real problem is all the people who are racist and anti-semitic. I find it funny how "semitic" means Jew and arab. Yet they are always having problems.who cares if they're right or wrong? Your God if anything, is going to bring down a ban hammer on u for killing innocents. We need to wipe our tears, put our dicks away, chew our pride, and move the fk on.
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:03 am

That avoids the point though. Not to be pessimistic, but America can't commit to bull. With the size and diversity of America it's nearly impossible. Look at the health care bill. The republicans are going ashit all over that whole concept. If that bill passes there will be revolts everywhere. Sure it proposes to help get America out of its recession, but it makes people unhappy. So they're gonna cry about it.

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Post by Aureus Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:08 am

Well, I personally, am sick of the hard workers being hit with higher taxes cause they get off they're lazy asses and do stuff. For all the poorer hard workers out there, I feel bad for them but it is unfair to hurt others who are able to make themselves. The little spoiled bitches should be hung and they're money given to the government though =D
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:23 am

But that's an invalid argument because at some point there was extreme hardwork in that family to earn that money. Just because someone's born into wealth doesn't mean they should be forced to give to the greater good. They may not work a day in their life, but hey they had good luck. I think Americans should just be better hearted and care about other people's well being, so they would give willingly to help America and those in overwhelming debt and certain circumstances. Which then leads to another debate...

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Post by Aureus Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:26 am

Well America is always having charities for other countries even if they dont want help. So ur argument is invalid as well. When I said spoiled I meant the people who abuse money like its just paper
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Post by Disturbed Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:27 am

bah wait till ur at the receiving end of America's overabused stick cog. You don't know the condition of innocent people who have been bought to such a position because of America's control over their government. OMFG THEIR A THREAT THEY COULD GET NUKES!!! guess what those countries are thinking? : SHIT, these americans got nukes and they will overlord us if they have such power and the US govt is proving that it certainly will abuse the power it has. That means the countries need to either get nukes ASAP or be swept aside or become America's permanent sex slaves. (not literally). Since the world doesn't revolve around America, perhaps those countries have their own best interests at mind rather than that of the US? Your basically going in there provoking them and then labelling them as criminals for retaliating. Bad strategy. If ppl remember the french revolution, its kinda what the nobles did to the peasants and we all know how that turned out. History is good for something in the end, even if it is kinda boring. Read it.
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:43 am

It's one of the most benefiting things, to be honest. Anyways, I was referring exclusively to America, not 3rd world countries or something like that.

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Post by Nihil Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:18 am

Barack Obama has more experience thaaaaaan:

FDR
George Washington
Ulysses S. Grant
Abraham Lincoln
Reagan

and a whole slew of other presidents good or bad.


oh ya, and also, A person should have to give to the greater good, how can you morally justify taking away things such as Social Security and Medicare and Free Child Healthcare, and benefits to the poor. We are taxed because we choose to sacrifice for those things, because we find it morally justifiable.


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Post by Aureus Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:19 am

Dist, I happen to love history =) and I am familiar with the French Revolution. Like I stated above I admitted I've not been introduced to the bad side of America. I'm an upper-middle class child so I don't have anything against anyone as it is. People think that America is a selfish, self served country who hates the word. NOT TRUE. Yes I'm sure selfish acts go into "helping" as you said but I haven't been brainwashed or anything like that to hate the rest of the world. Kids in Iraq grow up hearing there parents talk about how they hate America for doing what it's done. Kids in America (usually) don't. I have no prejudice, racism in my heart that would make me hate someone. I admit I'm prejudice, I admit I'm racist. But so are you and anyone you know. Your a good friend and your Middle-Eastern so it shows how America doesn't have the internal hate that people seem to believe. I think this is kinda OT but it's defending America's people and the media within it.
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:25 am

Nihil wrote:Barack Obama has more experience thaaaaaan:

FDR
George Washington
Ulysses S. Grant
Abraham Lincoln
Reagan

and a whole slew of other presidents good or bad.


oh ya, and also, A person should have to give to the greater good, how can you morally justify taking away things such as Social Security and Medicare and Free Child Healthcare, and benefits to the poor. We are taxed because we choose to sacrifice for those things, because we find it morally
justifiable.

Because it's my hard earned money. It's based on opinions, because America is not set on any kind of moral grounds.

The government shouldn't have to enforce America to support its less fortunate. What I'm saying is, the government shouldn't have to press taxes on America's citizens. It should be self willed. I think some of the people's attitude is the worst issue at hand.

Master CoG wrote:Dist, I happen to love history =) and I am familiar with the French Revolution. Like I stated above I admitted I've not been introduced to the bad side of America. I'm an upper-middle class child so I don't have anything against anyone as it is. People think that America is a selfish, self served country who hates the word. NOT TRUE. Yes I'm sure selfish acts go into "helping" as you said but I haven't been brainwashed or anything like that to hate the rest of the world. Kids in Iraq grow up hearing there parents talk about how they hate America for doing what it's done. Kids in America (usually) don't. I have no prejudice, racism in my heart that would make me hate someone. I admit I'm prejudice, I admit I'm racist. But so are you and anyone you know. Your a good friend and your Middle-Eastern so it shows how America doesn't have the internal hate that people seem to believe. I think this is kinda OT but it's defending America's people and the media within it.

You say that you haven't been exposed to the "bad" side of America, but you say it's not a angry nation? Well for one, the ratial hate that goes on is an obstacle for everything imaginable, and is looked down upon greatly. The diversity in America leads people to hate eachother because they don't know how to not judge someone by looks. The lack of compassion for the mentally ill and retarded is quite disgusting. The overlooked deaths that occur every second are examples of hate. The lack of respect for the elderly and authority and eachother rapes American society through the ass. It's a country of very little to no morals overall. Which may be a sweeping generalization by we've all seen what goes on (at least most). It's not as bad as other countries, that's a very good point. That's why I love my country.

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Post by Nihil Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:56 am

The government is not enforcing anything, we elected them to do this. That is why we have these systems. Every other industrialized nation has them, and look at how they are surging in economic growth compared to us, places like China ring a bell.

The lack of compassion for the mentally ill is exactly what i'm talking about, you advocate the same thing for the menally ill, well, basically the same thing, as I am for the poor.

The economy only moves as fast as our slowest ship, but now, due to deregulation, we are only as fast as our fastest sinker.
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Post by Disturbed Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:00 am

bah u do not know that. I and many of my friends have grown up in those countries, they do not teach hate of the nation, to the contrary they love it too much and end up looking like faggots in their attempt to amercanize themselves. And even if you look at the poor class, I have talked to many of them, particularly the race that is now known as terrorist and they hold no innate hate of America in their hearts. So that is a misconception. If a white person goes to those countries, they will be treated with much more respect and hospitality than any local. However, they could become targets of terrorist groups who are against america or just people who are desperate and angry...but these groups are the equivalent of a KKK, but except the general population does not support them at all in contrast to America, whose people gathered in crowds to watch lynchings. At the same time, I believe general Americans can be the nicest people when they want, but their ruling class and their gullibility leads to assrape from the politicians.
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Post by Nihil Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:46 am

Its my hard earned money!

People deserve to die if they can't get medical care because they are poor, because my money... its mine! ALL MINE!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

My rational is this, if this government had to be this way, and every citizen was actually me, what would i do? Universal healthcare of course.

Denmark has some of the happiest people on earth and they have universal healthcare, so take that and digest it^^
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