International Intervention.

Talkin'boutFreedom wrote:No but I think the muslim world will hail this as assassination from the western world and give them ammunition to their cause

YEAH, CAUSE WHAT THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW ISNT AT ALL BEING USED BY THE MUSLIM WORLD........-.-

do you not comprehend that the very fact that youre PRESENT in their nations is reason for them to get ire? they dont want you there, they dont want you near it. in any form.

I'm saying don't feed the fire, plus our mission is to bring freedom and democracy however retarded our government may be.

Freedom and Democracy coming at muzzle velocity to a dictatorship near you!

Talkin'boutFreedom wrote:I'm saying don't feed the fire, plus our mission is to bring freedom and democracy however retarded our government may be.

AH! AHAH! so youre saying that freedom and democracy can only be brought forth by america? silly. and pathetic. and naive. youre not the worlds babysitter. it can take care of itself.

We could go back to Pre WW2 status and just say fuck the world and let everyone die in misery while we keep to ourselves

Talkin'boutFreedom wrote:We could go back to Pre WW2 status and just say fuck the world and let everyone die in misery while we keep to ourselves

All in favor raise your hand.

*Raises hand*

Korea and Vietnam are problems because by fighting them we justified their position. Iraq and Iran are problems because we did all of 6 hours of research before declaring the entire region an enemy and bombing the shit out of it.

dandaman7 wrote:Idk, they try to take care of themselves, but their leaders are killing them. What would you have them do?

What every other non-oil country does: gets mowed down in the streets like animals. We saw way more coverage of egyptian cops and army killing citizens. But America was ally with the leader, and we train the Egyptian soldiers in America. Even the current U.N inspection in iran is completely one-sided. Its only happening to tickle america's and israels agenda. How many other countrys have worse human rights then iran? A ton. Burma, brasil, columbia, ahem mexico, iraq, afhganistan,and the list goes on. Burma being first because the international community barly even acknowledges the peopls problems. An ethnic genocide, MAJOR drug running from the now democratic-ex military junta government. The elections were an obvious mask to get the international community off their back. more people were beating and killed in the 2007,also 1980 NON-violent buddhist monk protest. were only in libya for a little 3 letter word: Oil. Everyone wants to be hard on irans nuke programs. Has israel ever let an inspector in? last time someone tried to hinder something the Israeli's did was JFK, and we all know what happen to that guy. Its proven fact that the top zionist-israelies hate gentiles. But have lobby billions of dollars to get our gentiles to spill blood for them. Never forget(or forgive) the uss liberty attacks of 1967. they call it a mistake. Bullshit. we had fighter jets who were gonna go blow the fuckin dink israely planes out of the sky. Those pilots were ordered to stand down, while torpedo boats and fighter jets rapped the uss liberty. It was admitted that the uss liberty was spying on all transmissions of that area, even our ally's the israelis. (during the same time israeli soldiers murdered over 300 Arabians pows)

Aardvark wrote:

Talkin'boutFreedom wrote:We could go back to Pre WW2 status and just say fuck the world and let everyone die in misery while we keep to ourselves

All in favor raise your hand.

*Raises hand*

Korea and Vietnam are problems because by fighting them we justified their position. Iraq and Iran are problems because we did all of 6 hours of research before declaring the entire region an enemy and bombing the shit out of it.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:

Talkin'boutFreedom wrote:I'm saying don't feed the fire, plus our mission is to bring freedom and democracy however retarded our government may be.

AH! AHAH! so youre saying that freedom and democracy can only be brought forth by america? silly. and pathetic. and naive. youre not the worlds babysitter. it can take care of itself.

its not just an american effort, its the whole UN trying to ''promote democracy''

It's spelled Gaddafi, noobs.

Cog, you're dumb, the French greatly helped the US during the Revolutionary War.

And Dray, stop trying to twist Serv's words. He saying that it's the objective to bring peace and justice, not that the United States is the only one who can do it. And the world obviously can't take care of its self. Either you're blind, or ignorant to the fact that there have been mass genocides and war for pretty much the history of man. I'm not saying that the United States should be in everybody's bidnezz all the time, but it just seems like they are because they seems to put forth the most resources towards what they do.

Thing wrote:It's spelled Gaddafi, noobs.

Cog, you're dumb, the French greatly helped the US during the Revolutionary War.

And Dray, stop trying to twist Serv's words. He saying that it's the objective to bring peace and justice, not that the United States is the only one who can do it. And the world obviously can't take care of its self. Either you're blind, or ignorant to the fact that there have been mass genocides and war for pretty much the history of man. I'm not saying that the United States should be in everybody's bidnezz all the time, but it just seems like they are because they seems to put forth the most resources towards what they do.

LOL if im blind and ignorant to the mass misery, death, and war in the world, then youre a bloody hypocrite. Do you know how many of those are happening RIGHT NOW? how many tyrants, wars, genocides, are happening this DECADE? count to me the ones the US intervened in...yes i thought so, pratically none. Im sorry if you work only on the surface of an argument but Serv understood, or i hope he did, that i was simply saying how ignorant and hypocritical those words are. Peace and Justice? No, money and power. no other reason. just that. OH SURE, YOU CAN CALL IT PEACE N JUSTICE, but that doesnt make it change what it is underneath. I said that because that is the excuse the US gives for its actions in foreign lands, where it shouldnt mess. The world is mighty capable of taking care of itself. There are places YOU GUYS dont go that turn out quite well. In fact, MOST of the places turn out bareable. You quote events singular in a global scale, when the vast majority of the world isnt under scrutiny, or oppression. Oh its under great poverty, misery, and death, but its not due to direct human or governmental oppression. Its just that a few fat pigs eat evth, and the rest of the farm is starving. And evth they eat just ends up adding to the shitpile, without giving any kind of positive outcome. You can make manure i guess....

Aureus wrote:Greatly? Meh... I don't think so.


They did help on the "final" battle.

um wrong.. advisers, money, ships, gunpowder, and im assuming more things along those lines. It was the last battle because the french got involved.(navy trapped the generals from retreating and regrouping. Not to mention the additional fire power that they attributed.)

Um, the Americans had pretty bad training, and without thee help of the French, we would probably be like Northern Ireland right now.

Thing wrote:Um, the Americans had pretty bad training, and without thee help of the French, we would probably be like Northern Ireland right now.

we didnt have terrible training, we had a lot of veterans and military men who lived in the colonies. They fought wars before then

rsG wrote:

Thing wrote:Um, the Americans had pretty bad training, and without thee help of the French, we would probably be like Northern Ireland right now.

we didnt have terrible training, we had a lot of veterans and military men who lived in the colonies. They fought wars before then

Plus, FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!! and the patriotic feeling, and AMERICAAA, FUCK YEA. that wins any war.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:

rsG wrote:

Thing wrote:Um, the Americans had pretty bad training, and without thee help of the French, we would probably be like Northern Ireland right now.

we didnt have terrible training, we had a lot of veterans and military men who lived in the colonies. They fought wars before then

Plus, FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!! and the patriotic feeling, and AMERICAAA, FUCK YEA. that wins any war.

It's called morality and morality is a VERY key thing in war. But that's OT kinda.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:
FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!! and the patriotic feeling, and AMERICAAA, FUCK YEA. that wins any war.

Disturbed wrote:agree with RsG and Dray. LIke when I heard they started bombing I was like wtf? They went that far? There was like absolutely no fucking reason for US to get into it?

What should US do now? Go help syria, yemen, Jordan, egypt, sudan and every rebelling country under the sun? I'm pretty sure it won't unless there's some reward, egypt had no oil, sudan had no oil, they didn't get an ounce of help.


Ppl who think the US army is spreading 'peace' haven't heard or seen what they do over there and have no clue what atrocities these 'peace bringers' commit.

Abu Gharaib should have given a good enough clue as to how great and peaceful these army people are. Peace my ass.

The goal is not actually to bring democracy, it is to prevent a humanitarian disaster.

The rebels are like WTF why aren't you helping us more, and we're like sorry but that isn't our job.

You see, American foreign policy remains predictable, now I know for those of you who don't understand how US government works this may go over your head, but, because the same people serving on the boards during Bush's presidency are the same one's as Obama's, its like the Supreme Court, if foreign policy isn't predictable, then it poses a threat, that is actually why the cold war was more stable than now, because, during the cold war, the rules of the game were defined and we knew our enemy. Right now, it is the exact opposite, guerilla groups have no codified policy and we don't know all of our enemies.

So what youre saying is...the US is fucked up beyond belief.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:So what youre saying is...the US is fucked up beyond belief.

basically, till we get everything bush fucked up out of the government which i dont see happening anytime soon

Nihil wrote:

Disturbed wrote:agree with RsG and Dray. LIke when I heard they started bombing I was like wtf? They went that far? There was like absolutely no fucking reason for US to get into it?

What should US do now? Go help syria, yemen, Jordan, egypt, sudan and every rebelling country under the sun? I'm pretty sure it won't unless there's some reward, egypt had no oil, sudan had no oil, they didn't get an ounce of help.


Ppl who think the US army is spreading 'peace' haven't heard or seen what they do over there and have no clue what atrocities these 'peace bringers' commit.

Abu Gharaib should have given a good enough clue as to how great and peaceful these army people are. Peace my ass.

The goal is not actually to bring democracy, it is to prevent a humanitarian disaster.

The rebels are like WTF why aren't you helping us more, and we're like sorry but that isn't our job.

You see, American foreign policy remains predictable, now I know for those of you who don't understand how US government works this may go over your head, but, because the same people serving on the boards during Bush's presidency are the same one's as Obama's, its like the Supreme Court, if foreign policy isn't predictable, then it poses a threat, that is actually why the cold war was more stable than now, because, during the cold war, the rules of the game were defined and we knew our enemy. Right now, it is the exact opposite, guerilla groups have no codified policy and we don't know all of our enemies.

that whole argument is undermined by one word: Burma. Do some research...

P.S another word- OIL