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Oh the tolerance is almost PAINFUL to watch..
Sorry i could not get past the first 20 seconds before i had to shut him off. His pain is to much to take.
Sorry i could not get past the first 20 seconds before i had to shut him off. His pain is to much to take.
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Should be titled "Pat Condell talks about the Old Testament god and the religious organization of the world, and blames it for all the violence and hatred feelings in the world"
I hear where hes coming from, but like Jesus, as he himself said, he is delivering the message wrong.
I hear where hes coming from, but like Jesus, as he himself said, he is delivering the message wrong.
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I don't think he is trying to persuade any religious people to open their mind in any way, I think he is brow beating them because he hates the way the world is because of religion. In some of his videos he really goes on tirades against Islam and Christianity.
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..and thus falls into a well made trap. Almost 90% of the so called 'religious' violence...is actually deeply political and economical. Religion is just the scapegoat being used by a lot of people and some guys eat up that stuff, seriously there are very few ppl that will go into fights just for their 'god'
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No one really likes Pat Condell, within the atheist community...
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well there are things i am willing to die for and toward the top of the list is God and Country. My religion may get me killed one day but it will not be because i am committing violence in it's name. If that is the will of my God it will happen if not then i will die of old age in my bed.
Something happened to that man to make him as bitter as he is. It is truly difficult to watch.
Something happened to that man to make him as bitter as he is. It is truly difficult to watch.
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Disturbed wrote:..and thus falls into a well made trap. Almost 90% of the so called 'religious' violence...is actually deeply political and economical. Religion is just the scapegoat being used by a lot of people and some guys eat up that stuff, seriously there are very few ppl that will go into fights just for their 'god'
I respectfully disagree, I think religion is the prime cause for most suffering in this world, be it in retrospect from all the harm it has done in the past or present day.
Ptolemy wrote:well there are things i am willing to die for and toward the top of the list is God and Country. My religion may get me killed one day but it will not be because i am committing violence in it's name. If that is the will of my God it will happen if not then i will die of old age in my bed.
Something happened to that man to make him as bitter as he is. It is truly difficult to watch.
He was raised a catholic. Thats usually enough to make most people bitter for reasons I have no idea.
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Catholicism is by nature, oppressive and makes you question a lot. Christianity in general, if you are raised in a strict christian following and try to diverge your thoughts and think about sth else, generally causes you to see and read things that are bitter. it is like if oyu were a nazi without knowing what being a nazi is and then you suddenly found out, ALBEIT, lighter, not saying christianity is as bad as nazis, but for me at least, it felt ravaging to see at a very young age what it was all about and what i had been accepting.
I just think he is being too mad over history and the past, where psychological factors turned people into what they were, and only thru enlightenment did we manage to suppress some of those ideals that were derived from nothing more than primal urges. I think he should be mad about the present, where christianity isnt really that bad, but islam is being favoured and pitied way too much, and i think islam takes advantage of that way too much as well. I wish people bashed Islam down the same way Christianity was bashed too. Just bash them all down to a personal hobbie where they belong.
I just think he is being too mad over history and the past, where psychological factors turned people into what they were, and only thru enlightenment did we manage to suppress some of those ideals that were derived from nothing more than primal urges. I think he should be mad about the present, where christianity isnt really that bad, but islam is being favoured and pitied way too much, and i think islam takes advantage of that way too much as well. I wish people bashed Islam down the same way Christianity was bashed too. Just bash them all down to a personal hobbie where they belong.
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I gotta agree with Dray. I don't get how and when some in Islam feel they have a right to not be offended. No one has that right sorry. Freedom of speech will always cause some people to get offended and that is a good thing. It shows we have freedom of speech. It reminds me of a kid who had his toy taken away and is throwing a temper tantrum. Some people need to grow up. So what if an infidel draws the prophet? Do you really think God is that petty to be offended by a drawing? He is probably face palming at all the violence and hatred over such a trivial thing.
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Ptolemy wrote:well there are things i am willing to die for and toward the top of the list is God and Country. My religion may get me killed one day but it will not be because i am committing violence in it's name. If that is the will of my God it will happen if not then i will die of old age in my bed.
Something happened to that man to make him as bitter as he is. It is truly difficult to watch.
I don't think anyone in any religion commits violence for "violence's name" it is always on the pretense of religion. If you were born in, say, Singapore, would you die for your country then? Because if people in Singapore would die for their country, and people here would die for their country, then all we need is for war mongering politicians to light a flame and the world will erupt into some cataclysmic conflagration of violence. Fighting for your country is one thing, but having the sense to realize when a situation is either inevitable, losing a war, or absurd, Iraq, is far more important, in my opinion.
Part of the reason I don't think anyone really likes him is because of his bitterness, it is a real shutdown to people trying to engage in conversation.
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like I said. Religion is just the cover. The church that oppressed so many and caused so much violence in the name of god in the medieval days......did not do so for god. They did so for money, power and control.
The same happens today, they use religion to gain influence, power, control and money, and will stop at nothing to fool the people. Yes it is apparently the driving force behinds the bunches of angry mobs who apparently angered at blasphemy, but in truth they were just angered by what some bigshot told them and are not quite sure what they are angry, only are so because everybody else is.
The people who orchestrate this violence are very clever and know how to do it...and in the end try to look like some pious religious saints which the corrupt bastards clearly are not
The same happens today, they use religion to gain influence, power, control and money, and will stop at nothing to fool the people. Yes it is apparently the driving force behinds the bunches of angry mobs who apparently angered at blasphemy, but in truth they were just angered by what some bigshot told them and are not quite sure what they are angry, only are so because everybody else is.
The people who orchestrate this violence are very clever and know how to do it...and in the end try to look like some pious religious saints which the corrupt bastards clearly are not
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Disturbed wrote:like I said. Religion is just the cover. The church that oppressed so many and caused so much violence in the name of god in the medieval days......did not do so for god. They did so for money, power and control.
The same happens today, they use religion to gain influence, power, control and money, and will stop at nothing to fool the people. Yes it is apparently the driving force behinds the bunches of angry mobs who apparently angered at blasphemy, but in truth they were just angered by what some bigshot told them and are not quite sure what they are angry, only are so because everybody else is.
The people who orchestrate this violence are very clever and know how to do it...and in the end try to look like some pious religious saints which the corrupt bastards clearly are not
Well if you want my opinion all religion invents itself by malicious people intent on taking from others. religious people are the rats and they are the pied piper.
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and since religion is from people, dogmatic beliefs will ALWAYS generate hatred and corruption, gathering and mass following of such corporate beliefs is an archaic culture that needs deletion from our main life. Religion may not be the source of evil, but it is the tool being used for that, and it will ALWAYS be used for that, in the smae way a gun is always used to harm another in this world, no matter how harmless it can responsibly be.
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I would like to see rationalism and humanism take hold throughout the earth. I think that would truly lead to a new epiphany of human understanding. Science has already showed via genetics we are all the same species, we need to do away with ancient tribalism and focus more on our place in the galaxy as a whole. I think people like Pat Condell are just furious over still having to deal with this stuff in 2010.
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if it's not religion then its secularism, its atheism, its americanism, its being democrat or republican....there are thousands of different ideas that are all under the same theory but under different guises.
How many of all the movements and sects out there have been formed by non rich/influential people? How many of them were the idea of the free public?
Very few...I can only quote the Civil Rights Movement as something that showed real will power of the people and the PEOPLE'S ideologies coming to life.
Every other so called movement or belief or groups seems to be a disguised political move....lack of corruption will take a lot more than eradicating a few groups.....it will take an overhaul.
Groups are but what they are made to be...they are names and what they do matter little to those that control.
How many of all the movements and sects out there have been formed by non rich/influential people? How many of them were the idea of the free public?
Very few...I can only quote the Civil Rights Movement as something that showed real will power of the people and the PEOPLE'S ideologies coming to life.
Every other so called movement or belief or groups seems to be a disguised political move....lack of corruption will take a lot more than eradicating a few groups.....it will take an overhaul.
Groups are but what they are made to be...they are names and what they do matter little to those that control.
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I tend to agree with Dist, religion doesn't usually cause this, it's just the excuse people use to justify horrendous actions because who's going to argue with a religious leader saying god told him to do something. In fact most religious texts are not meant to be interpreted to a violent end, they are just twisted, just as any idea is twisted to fit the ideals of the rich, powerful, and charismatic.
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And that just means... like I said... religion is a force of evil not good.
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Religion is a force, it's neither good nor evil at baseline. Many of the original charities came from religion, many good values are a baseline for religion which works as a medium for morals.
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Champion wrote:And that just means... like I said... religion is a force of evil not good.
no it means that religion is USED as a force of evil the same way someone can use a gun as a force of evil or good.
What I'm saying is, if religion doesn't get them what they want, they'll find some other thing. Its not just religion, its almost every ideology and thought group present that can be used to get them what they want. America doesn't really use religion that much, cuz it has the Democrat/ Republican parties that get people to do what they want (which is thankfully not violent)... people fight, pledge allegiance, swear by their grandmothers and what not just for their parties, despite barely knowing or caring about the policies in place and how the effect anything at all. In fact, in most cases the policies are the same with different wordings.
So masses can be controlled by pretty much any group that states an 'ideology' and gets some rich people to support it and voila! you have people ready to die for that ideology because its the best thing since sliced bread.
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Aardvark wrote:Religion is a force, it's neither good nor evil at baseline. Many of the original charities came from religion, many good values are a baseline for religion which works as a medium for morals.
And ultimately, in the longshot, when it is given a chance, it becomes evil. I do not trust people with guns and i think guns are idiotic because ultimately, they are gonna fuck up big time. Same with religion. Hence why i want Islam to be bashed and mocked down to a pulp, becaue it needs to learn its place, same way Christianity learned its place. There is no sugarcoating here, if Islam is allowed, they will put Sharia law in every motherfucking country they can. I could care less what they want, but my problem is that we are allowing too much by being lenient on them, and then hearing in their news channels and in their communities how they will convert the world to Islam, like some fucking Nazi fascism. Thankfully the bashing will come naturally, since unlike the Middle East, we have learned from our mistakes and you do not fuck with peoples freedoms of speech and lifestyle laws here.
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This world would be a better place without religion OR guns. People need to grow up and stop acting like a bunch of fucking baboons.
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champ saying baboons reminded me of this
um...yeah for some people religion is not a "front" but rather the cause of wars. Some people truly believe in their ideology. Al Qaeda is looking for power by committing terrorists acts, but it's to further their ideology. That ideology is mostly religious in the restoration of a new caliphate and unification. Power is just a byproduct. Just like in India and Pakistan, one of the major factors of why there are continuing conflicts is because of how diametrically opposed each religion is to one another (One god vs. many gods, don't eat meat but pork is ok vs. don't eat pork but meat is okay, etc.). Sure, each outbreak of violence is due to territorial concerns, but religion is certainly the reason why the two sides cannot come to terms with one another and therefore a major instigator in conflicts.
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I'll just pretend dray's post didn't exist since...it's not worthy of a reply..but to champ I'll say this.
They may not seem to be good ideas, but at the same time, eradicating them won't end violence. It won't end hatred.
The violence in indo - pak is apparently religious, but to an insider its more from hatred and territorial issues that were caused because of extremely early religious violence that some ppl cause major problems over. Then it developed into a sort of hate hate relationship where ppl hate each other without even knowing why.
I get along with hindus just fine , hindus get along with muslims just fine, noone even mentions religion.
I agree its an issue if you are an overreligious maniac who wants to control the world, but there's like...some random old crabs born in the 50s who think like that..pretty much it.
They may not seem to be good ideas, but at the same time, eradicating them won't end violence. It won't end hatred.
The violence in indo - pak is apparently religious, but to an insider its more from hatred and territorial issues that were caused because of extremely early religious violence that some ppl cause major problems over. Then it developed into a sort of hate hate relationship where ppl hate each other without even knowing why.
I get along with hindus just fine , hindus get along with muslims just fine, noone even mentions religion.
I agree its an issue if you are an overreligious maniac who wants to control the world, but there's like...some random old crabs born in the 50s who think like that..pretty much it.
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