Help save the Gulf Animals
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sorta too bad that citizens united case passed isn't it? It sets this kind of precedent for corporate america being the government of america.
sorta too bad that citizens united case passed isn't it? It sets this kind of precedent for corporate america being the government of america.
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Want to know how to save the gulf animals? Get rid of corrupt piece of shit governments who allow fossil fuels to be used in their countries. Oh wait..
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I hope champ realizes were at the point now that were dependent on fossil fuels.
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Fossil fuels must be used currently as there really isn't any real alternative we can mainly use.
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Talkin'boutFreedom wrote:Fossil fuels must be used currently as there really isn't any real alternative we can mainly use.
It's our best option.
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And there really isnt much alternately that we can use for the second, solar power, and electricity isnt gonna come any time soon in mass enough to completely erase fossil fuels.
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Oh im sorry. I forgot we invented STEAM engines 150 years ago. Not the coal kind, the wood burning/garbage kind which are virtually pollutant free. Or Hydrogen engines, another pollution free alternative. Or electric cars like the ones Tesla motors makes. Oh but thats right, we are "dependant" on fossil fuels because people lack vision or motivation.
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It's not a lack of vision or motivation because that stuff is being worked on to improve and provide an alternative but it's not as efficient as fossil fuels. Thats the main thing is efficiency.
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electric cars are what i think is possiable if we turned towards it, and for alternate energy electicity is the only thing we can turn towards, however i dont except it to be until towards the end of my lifetime.
EDIT: Electricity in general
EDIT: Electricity in general
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Champ you're thinking only of the consequences 1 step ahead , now if we look at the steps, 4-5 steps ahead you'd see it's good but not great. Electric cars may be efficient and ''seem'' to not use fossil fuels but what powers them? Electricity, and usually where does that come from? Power plants, most of those are Coal power plants, almost 50 percent of all power comes from those. Another 20 percent is Nuclear , leaving only 30 percent coming from alternatives which includes wind/solar/hydro/waste/geothermal, so you can see how little those things produce.
+Hydrogen engines also a good concept, get into a car crash you're boned
+Hydrogen engines also a good concept, get into a car crash you're boned
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Aragorn wrote:It's not a lack of vision or motivation because that stuff is being worked on to improve and provide an alternative but it's not as efficient as fossil fuels. Thats the main thing is efficiency.
xzavier wrote:electric cars are what i think is possiable if we turned towards it, and for alternate energy electicity is the only thing we can turn towards, however i dont except it to be until towards the end of my lifetime.
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Aragorn that is such a parroted and uneducated answer I am sure the US gov. would be proud of. Let me put it to you this way.. You could use solar energy, or electricity to power a steam engine today, making it virtually pollutant free, and only requiring water and some electricity to power.
Second, hydrogen engines are extremely efficient. In fact, they can make engines that can go 1000+ miles on water alone without refilling. The reason you do not see these coming into the market is not because of efficiency, its because of money. Imagine the amount of people who work in these auto factories, oil companies, gas stations, etc who would not only be out of jobs, but would not be paying taxes either. You can quickly see why the excuse of "efficiency" comes up as they are SLOWLY bringing these products to market. Its all about money, greed and ignorance.
Secondly, electric cars made by tesla motors are not only pollutant free, but can generate speeds and accelleration on par with modern day sports cars. One I saw can do 0-60 MPH in 3 seconds. All on pure electricity. It would be VERY easy to install electric car jacks virtually anywhere you go, enabling one to recharge while shopping, watching a movie, etc. Even then, most electric cars can go hundreds of miles before needing a recharge, which is more than sufficient for normal use.
In addition, you could easily use nuclear, hydro, solar and wind energy to power to electricity needed to recharge these cars, all pollutant free.
Open your eyes. This world is not only corrupt but destroying itself. The means to have a pollution free world is easily within our grasp. The reason we do not grab it is pretty obvious.
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champ, ive seen an electric car set and break 3 different world records on the dragstrip in 1 day. there efficent. problem is where the electricity is coming from, there are solar farms and windmills around. but most come from like serv said, coal power plants. not very clean. Electricity is the only thing i can see happeneing, and like i said champ, i dont expect electricity to be cleanly made until closer to the end of my lifetime.
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Because of GREED and complacency. You make a mistake in this life, you fix it. You dont shovel the shit to the next generation. The governments, companies and people with the power to change this are greedy fucking cowards. I hope they choke on a stream of oil poured down their throats, including the politicians.
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champ, you realize with the healthcare bill they just passed, my children are gonna be paying for that. and there children.
EDIT: the US governments debt is growing, and i doubt it gets payed off. yet were still introducing new ways to spend money, and if you havnt figured it out by now, ima conservative(republican).
EDIT: the US governments debt is growing, and i doubt it gets payed off. yet were still introducing new ways to spend money, and if you havnt figured it out by now, ima conservative(republican).
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Just plain ol business economics, personally along with a lot of others probably wouldn't spend years working on a thing that won't put food on the table for my family. Another thing is if it isn't making money, how will you fund R&D(Research & Development)?
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People are focusing on NOW. They see that they won't be around in hundred years so they don't care.
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I agree with that serv, but the rich paying for the poor, this is socialism at its basic definition. I dislike paying for the crackhead down the street to be on life support. Sadly, that crackhead ruins a good system. I would have no probelm paying for people who were just unlucky and were born with less of a chance, its the people who threw it away for stupid reasons that i dont wish to fund.
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I don't like paying for another's health care, but shouldn't everyone be able to walk into a hospital and be treated if they're dying?
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It all with America now being sensitive fags where everyone has to be equal yet they don't see most people are lazy asses so they don't deserve jackshit, I don't mind paying(coming next year >_>) for low income families that bust their ass to provide for their children and etc though.
Edit: Cog, hospitals unless they've changed it recently, MUST treat you regardless of health insurance or income or any of those silly factors if you're dieing(excludes cancer and the like though)
Edit: Cog, hospitals unless they've changed it recently, MUST treat you regardless of health insurance or income or any of those silly factors if you're dieing(excludes cancer and the like though)
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Was more for effect, serv
But I believe you catch my drift
But I believe you catch my drift
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My point serv. exactly, ill pay for low income familys, i dont want to pay for somebody who is unemployed and ISNT looking for work and trying to get back on there feet. Serv, this is the begining of socialism if they start passing more bills with that mindset.
EDIT: yes cog they should, but i dont want to pay for em.
EDIT: yes cog they should, but i dont want to pay for em.
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xzavier wrote:champ, you realize with the healthcare bill they just passed, my children are gonna be paying for that. and there children.
EDIT: the US governments debt is growing, and i doubt it gets payed off. yet were still introducing new ways to spend money, and if you havnt figured it out by now, ima conservative(republican).
let me put it this way for all of you
as a percentage of GDP
Now Per Capita spending
WHICH EVEN AFTER THE NECESSARY DIFFERENCES IN GDP PER CAPITA WE SPEND ROUGHLY 1,900 DOLLARS MORE PER CAPITA.
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: $4,631.00 per capita
# 2 Switzerland: $3,222.00 per capita
# 3 Germany: $2,748.00 per capita
# 4 Iceland: $2,608.00 per capita
# 5 Canada: $2,535.00 per capita
# 6 Denmark: $2,420.00 per capita
# 7 France: $2,349.00 per capita
= 8 Belgium: $2,268.00 per capita
= 8 Norway: $2,268.00 per capita
# 10 Netherlands: $2,246.00 per capita
# 11 Australia: $2,211.00 per capita
# 12 Austria: $2,162.00 per capita
# 13 Italy: $2,032.00 per capita
# 14 Japan: $2,011.00 per capita
# 15 Ireland: $1,953.00 per capita
# 16 United Kingdom: $1,764.00 per capita
# 17 Finland: $1,664.00 per capita
# 18 New Zealand: $1,623.00 per capita
# 19 Spain: $1,556.00 per capita
# 20 Portugal: $1,439.00 per capita
# 21 Greece: $1,399.00 per capita
# 22 Czech Republic: $1,031.00 per capita
# 23 Hungary: $842.00 per capita
# 24 Slovakia: $690.00 per capita
# 25 Mexico: $491.00 per capita
Weighted average: $2,006.52 per capita
And to quote one Mr. Martin L. King Jr.
"Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in healthcare is the most shocking and inhumane."
Not to mention the fact that we don't even get the best healthcare for our money.
Now to debt. Its simple, spending away debt in, say, 1920's dollars is easier than paying it away in our current dollar's exchange rate. That inflation will be driven from the stimulus spending, which was to small, however, to have any affect, because inflation doesn't affect a downturned economy, only deflation, and that inflation will be taxed away and spent on our debt.
Now lets talk about donating and saving some animals and wildlife eh?
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ok, my first respone:
IM DONE WITH YOU AP GOV, GO DIE, DIE, DIE AND BURN LIKE I DID TO THAT COLLAGE GOV BOOK, BURN YOU SONOFABITCH BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
now back to the respone, why doesnt ap gov die. Anyway inflation will only do a part. im saying, your gonna either make money worthless if you expect that to affect it all, but since ive learned in past arguements, its best not to start political talk from only one year of ap gov, a class that i hated because the teacher was the biggest douchebag to walk the earth, she seriously hated me cause i could ace her class wihout doing 5 hours of homework for her class alone.
anyway, i dont want to argue, i diddnt say i was right, i said thats my opinion. in reality nihil, the facts dont change this, the republicans think they are right, democrats think they are right, everybody thinks they are right.
nihil, i dont know enough to counteract that many graphs without pulling out a book i burned. so i really cant say something knowladgable back, but i stated my opinion
IM DONE WITH YOU AP GOV, GO DIE, DIE, DIE AND BURN LIKE I DID TO THAT COLLAGE GOV BOOK, BURN YOU SONOFABITCH BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
now back to the respone, why doesnt ap gov die. Anyway inflation will only do a part. im saying, your gonna either make money worthless if you expect that to affect it all, but since ive learned in past arguements, its best not to start political talk from only one year of ap gov, a class that i hated because the teacher was the biggest douchebag to walk the earth, she seriously hated me cause i could ace her class wihout doing 5 hours of homework for her class alone.
anyway, i dont want to argue, i diddnt say i was right, i said thats my opinion. in reality nihil, the facts dont change this, the republicans think they are right, democrats think they are right, everybody thinks they are right.
nihil, i dont know enough to counteract that many graphs without pulling out a book i burned. so i really cant say something knowladgable back, but i stated my opinion
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Well if anything, coming from one of my role models, Paul Krugman sure can write hella good but he's fulla shit or mostly :p + Our population has 1)gotten really fat leading to higher cost compared to those other ''skinnier'' countries and 2) grown more explosively. The wildlife will take care of themselves to a point anyways
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The population issue, which you addressed should first be viewed from a GDP perspective, ours is almost equal to the E.U combined, and so we should, as a result, have more capital to spend on our citizens, while the E.U with 200,000,000 more people than us foots a smaller bill!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think fat people make up more than the monetary worth of 200,000,000 people!!!
Socialized Med. actually avoids bureaucracy more than privatized.
I don't think fat people make up more than the monetary worth of 200,000,000 people!!!
Socialized Med. actually avoids bureaucracy more than privatized.
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