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Post by MasterBaitinTroll Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:45 am

I can't see anything in rancore pit my internet security shit is defaulty so i dont know if there is already one of these
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Post by Aureus Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:51 am

Wut....?
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Post by Dr. Patient Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:57 am

WTF!!!!!!!!!!

whats with the title.
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Post by MasterBaitinTroll Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:06 am

I want to talk abt it and i dont know if there already is one i think it is fuc*in dumb
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Post by dandaman7 Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:28 am

Master CoG wrote:Wut....?
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Post by Champion Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:36 am

So what do you want to talk about? Tell us your views on it.
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Post by Thing Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:03 am

[sarcasm]I think it's stupid too.


It's not like some crazy kids would star shooting up sch[/sarcasm]- Oh wait... What was that one place again? Columbine was it? =_=.
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Post by Aragorn Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:16 am

Gun control has proved hazardous. There is data proving that gun control has increased the crime rate. I believe it's unnecessary to have gun control...
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Post by Aardvark Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:49 am

Controlling them is a good idea. Not controlling them would lead to far more violence. Restricting the use of a dangerous object is the most effective way of managing it at all. No laws means it runs rampant, making it entirely illegal opens the way for gang rule. Restricting it provides a legal means to obtain the object that MOST of the population will follow rather then risking their freedom by doing it the illegal way.
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Post by Aureus Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:50 am

I'd like it, but it seems to not benefit either way
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Post by Ptolemy Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:53 am

I disagree...

Gun control is absolutely essential!

you have to be able to hit what you are shooting at!!
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Post by Dr. Patient Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:22 am

Ptolemy wrote:I disagree...

Gun control is absolutely essential!

you have to be able to hit what you are shooting at!!

BOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:14 am

He has a point.Either way, guns are in general a bad idea and always have been. Gun control should happen, else Columbine and other of those events wuldnt have happened that easily. True that parents were another factor to it, but the way they got a hold on those guns....Seriously dudes, i dunno how, but the fact your kids can buy a gun at wallmart makes me ask what kind of sick idea is in the American mind.
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Post by MasterBaitinTroll Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:04 pm

You guys are really retarded! Ok here if you live on a street and you dont know this but a raper lives 2 howses down u need a gun
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Post by MasterBaitinTroll Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:05 pm

haha hitting what your shooting at tht is why u fking practice
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Post by MasterBaitinTroll Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:10 pm

OH I forgot my opinion it is just away for the government to know where are guns are when they want to take them away and restricting it will cause more violence because gang ppl wont comply and then John i cant carry a gun Do gets shot trying top protect his family with a fking butter knife like in africa
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Post by Disturbed Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:23 pm

get a bloody gun license, buy one if u can sue, and keep it at home. Unloaded. The bullets can be hidden away,
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Post by MasterBaitinTroll Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:46 pm

Haha you are funny here ppl get shot all the time by the gangsters and u cant until ur 21 and the gangsters would not complie if the government trys to take there guns or anything
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:59 pm

pretty rave girl/Satan wrote:Haha you are funny here ppl get shot all the time by the gangsters and u cant until ur 21 and the gangsters would not complie if the government trys to take there guns or anything

so becuz people break the law, you should be allowed to have free unlimited access to the means to protect yourself? i guess you want the right to own a nuclear warhead as well?
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Post by SouLCasT Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:02 pm

Now I realize how fucked up america is...I mean, I live in a big city, and I've NEVER, I say NEVER saw anyone(except the police which uses guns with rubber bullets) use a gun.

In "gang fights" or w/e, you just use common items..baseball bats, pipes,those knuckles u put on ur hands or just bare hands...

Therefor my conclusion is, in America, almost anyone can get a gun, whilst in most of Europe, or at least, from what I know, it is awesomely hard, or quite impossible for a minor, or even a grown man, get a gun without a license and a pre-order.
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Post by Ptolemy Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:06 pm

Dray The Fingerless wrote:He has a point.Either way, guns are in general a bad idea and always have been. Gun control should happen, else Columbine and other of those events wuldnt have happened that easily. True that parents were another factor to it, but the way they got a hold on those guns....Seriously dudes, i dunno how, but the fact your kids can buy a gun at wallmart makes me ask what kind of sick idea is in the American mind.

columbine... the weapons that were used at columbine were illegal. they had to jump through hoops just to know where they were. they shattered existing gun laws obtaining them. that's why the guy they got the weapons from went to jail. A kid cannot buy a gun you have to be 21. i can gift a weapon to my son but he cannot own it till he is at least 18 in most states.

the rise of dictators and forms of government that favor the ruler always start with the confiscation and tight control of firearms. The founders knew this and that is why they placed the right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution. right along with the states right to maintain a militia. If you look at demographics, you will see conundrums like Washington DC and Virginia. Across the river from each other but in DC, where guns are all but outlawed, the violent crime rate is exponentially higher (maybe not exponentially but 3 - 4 times as high) as Virginia where it is easier to obtain a carry permit and people are allowed firearms to defend them selves and their homes.

If every one having guns was a bad idea, you could look at any city in Texas and see10+ shootouts in a day and you do not see that. the combination of enforcing the law and an armed populace actually keep the crime rate fairly low. Much lower than those places that guns are more tightly controlled.

you fear what you do not understand and having not been raised around firearms you are probably a bit hesitant or even fearful. i have been raised around them i have tried to raise my son around them. so there is a comfort level there. good training is the cure for your condition and shooting on a range is fun. i feel that if the time comes that i have to defend my family with a firearm i could and, being an American, I have that right.

A nuke really? that is a fallacy and an intellectually dishonest argument Dray and i am dissapointed that you would even try to make such a ridiculous argument. those are far to regulated to get a hold of unless you build your own. mortars and artillery pieces are much easier to obtain.
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:33 pm

i was just carrying a point to miss oh look a drug dealer, lets bomb him and his family and his neighborhood. because thats what she carries with her message. that everyone is evil and deserves being shot. you dont use guns to hunt, you usethem for defense. you know ptolemy, guns are pretty fun in games, and shooting plates must be fun as well, anything that has to do with aim practice canbe fun. use of gun in urban populace is the problem. i am not afraid of guns, i just think they are stupid. a stupid tool for a stupid being i guess....what we make necessary for ourselves.im not against people bearing arms, i just think a really nice thourough check of that person first would be best. not HEY fill out this form with your stuff. done? ok heres your gun.
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Post by Ptolemy Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:58 pm

I think the back ground check should be rather simple, history of domestic violence? no, history of mental illness? no, convicted felon? no. 3 days later you get ur gun.

you think the US is bad as a whole look at this town...

Gun ownership is mandatory and they have the lowest crime rate in the metro area. you have to ignore the red neck shop.
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Post by Aragorn Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:19 pm

Dray The Fingerless wrote:
pretty rave girl/Satan wrote:Haha you are funny here ppl get shot all the time by the gangsters and u cant until ur 21 and the gangsters would not complie if the government trys to take there guns or anything

so becuz people break the law, you should be allowed to have free unlimited access to the means to protect yourself? i guess you want the right to own a nuclear warhead as well?

Yes, if someone breaks the law using a firearm, I want to be able to have access to the protection necessary to protect myself, my family and my propery. A nuclear warhead? No but like my dad said, thats a very far fetched and unrealistic example. Like I said before It HAS been proven through data that gun ownership reduces the crime rate and yet people want more gun control because they use stuff like columbine and other shootings to back up their story when in fact, their ignorance over such things puts the m in the wrong...
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Post by Nihil Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:31 pm

If we don't have gun control then people will be able to by automatic guns, like an AK, and then can go on shooting rampages far more effectively than what we have seen. Also, then people should have the right to own long range missiles if they can own w/e gun they want.

Also, gun control, if not implemented universally, will lead to higher crime rates in places where it is illegal to own a gun, like D.C, which can be fixed by across the board fire arm restrictions, not to the point where it is illegal to own one, but where it is harder to own one. Criminal record Etc.
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