Re: The New Conservative Structure and Southern Strategy, well, just for Texas right now

by Nihil Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:53 pm

So do we peddle heterosexuality as a party in heaven?

The two ought to be treated equally, in my opinion.

As soon as they have rights, there will be nothing to propagandize upon, and that will dry up.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:05 pm

Nihil wrote:So do we peddle heterosexuality as a party in heaven?

The two ought to be treated equally, in my opinion.

As soon as they have rights, there will be nothing to propagandize upon, and that will dry up.

They ought not to. Do you wish to say being depressed is a thrill, or that being a squizo, paranoid person is ok? No. Homossexuality is, by science and culturally, a disorder, like many others in our society. If it were a main thing, our species would die. I do not think it should be treated equally, simply be allowed and unharrassed. I only wish it to avoid publicizing itself to society. As harmless and ok as it seems, it is a disorder nonetheless.

by Nihil Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:45 pm

Do you think by accepting it, though, but not treating it equally will rid it of its social stigma?

by **Dray The Fingerless** Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:50 pm

thats just the thing Nihil. Accepting homossexuality as normal must never happen. It is against survival. Accepting its existance and let it exist ok, but upgrading it so that a growing child will think its normal to either go one or the other is wrong.

by **Disturbed** Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:00 pm

gayness is not a disorder lol. Comparing it to either religion or AIDs is a big fuck up. Because in the case of most religions, there is a goal to spread peace and create an ideal society, your choice to believe or not. In disease, noone can control that and best seek a cure.

So why not we seek a cure and help these ppl rid of the problems that lead them this way instead of giving them excess rights for it?

Personally, if it were me I wouldn't give a damn if they were being blown up or opressed because there are bigger problems that need solving, rather than their oh so important failure to be a married couple. How about we work on saving the environment, stopping bloodshed of innocent ppl and the sort, then America can worry about its problems.

What's worse is that America is the great trendsetter and by so publicly pushing gayness all over the news it carries over to other places. Proof of the fact is that before I came here I thought the idea of gayness was just an insult or joke, not something real. Because it simply does not happen, ppl don't think that way. It's just that ppl have lost their way to express their over rated freedom and decided that gayness would be the next way to show just how much crap America can tolerate

by Nihil Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:03 am

Dray The Fingerless wrote:thats just the thing Nihil. Accepting homossexuality as normal must never happen. It is against survival. Accepting its existance and let it exist ok, but upgrading it so that a growing child will think its normal to either go one or the other is wrong.

Well, as of yet, that depends on your definition. If genetic, then sure, I could understand that, but even then, that destroys the concept of acceptance because we mark it as a shame on society, calling someone, unnatural, or supposing that they are genetically at fault limits if not precludes integration into society. Conversely Freud's innate bisexuality could bring on the impression that it is more psychological than that.

If we don't let a growing child think its normal to be one or the other, then we will still have discrimination. Besides, the world is already severely overpopulated.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:20 am

And highly unbalanced. It is not natural Nihil. As an organic being, as ANY sexually produced animal, we seek the opposite sex. If we do not, we do not contribute to life. It is a disorder, no matter how you wanna put it, genetical or psichological, it is a disorder. It is a fluke of the system, harmless one, but you shouldnt fucking take it seriously as a main drive of society. Because else we go fucking extinct.

by **Disturbed** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:35 am

not only do we go extinct, we undermine morals. It's not supposed to be pick and choose, but put it as somewhat acceptable if the person is as such, but he is no role model. In fact, why should we even be forced to know who is gay and who isn't? THey can keep that information to themselves. Like I do believe gays should have the right to participate in the army, since that has nothing to do with sexuality or family system. They can have feelings and their actions are what should ultimately decide what the public perceives of them. They should not burst forth with multitudes of faggotry...keep it to the bed.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:40 am

Lol i honestly only see this kind of super mega parades of gayness and this super mega controversy with gays in America. Honestly, here and in Europe you just dont even know who is gay. They are like....ok, hes gay, so what? Are you american or sth?(no ofense)

by **Talkin'boutFreedom** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:46 am

Well dray, your fairness to gays is straight cause of how gays act over there. Talking to an American though, most will be against Gays cause of how EXTREMELY flamboyant they are. Accepting gays would be like accepting Hannah Montana/Twilight fanatics are legit :p

by **Disturbed** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:52 am

Talkin'boutFreedom wrote: Well dray, your fairness to gays is straight cause of how gays act over there. Talking to an American though, most will be against Gays cause of how EXTREMELY flamboyant they are. Accepting gays would be like accepting Hannah Montana/Twilight fanatics are legit :p

by **Dray The Fingerless** Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:09 am

Ah, rather your countries problem then isnt it? I remember when somethin similar to this happened to a group of people back in the days, what was it....oh i remember, BLACK PEOPLE. Yeah, you tried to bump them down and they shot up in flames and flamboyancy. Remember Mr. King? yeah.... oh whats that OTHER group that you have been quite Xenophobic about....OH RIGHT, MUSLIMS. Wont last long until they are shooting up in flames and flamboyancy too. I think by then, that is by the third time, youll have learned not to kick a ethnic/religious/lifestyle group in the face so much, since your countries main tag name is 'Leaders of the Free World'....

by **Talkin'boutFreedom** Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:24 am

Black parades flamboyant? I think not, America is still bumping down black people along with those of Spanish/Latino descent still, so yeah. ''Leaders of the Free World'' does not mean we will simply allow any type of debauchery to go simply so we all can live in ''Freedom''. Although with gays I don't mind them as long as they shut up, I'm still iffy with the idea of granting them the right to marry though. Personally think that was created by religious reasons and hence remain between a man and a woman.

by **Disturbed** Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:27 am

wait, wtf does debauchery have to do with race? ....

by **Dray The Fingerless** Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:48 am

uprisings, protests, speeches...blacks did it, back when they couldnt enter certain restaurants and bars, or go to see a movie, or JOIN THE GODAMN ARMY IN A DECENT MANNER. i do not agree wit gay flamboyancy, but given all the crap they took, and since you raised them to love freedom so much they give it oral sex, they are returning the crap. uprisigs, protests, speeches, propaganda. you push the people down, they push back up. I dont think calling it marriage is as appropriate as say, claling it civil union. They just wana put on paper that they wanna be together for life. Wich in all honesty, to me, marriage was never important. It is so warped, corrupted and shallow these days, i think its lost any meaning its supposed to have. Religious or not.

by **Talkin'boutFreedom** Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:58 am

Disturbed wrote:wait, wtf does debauchery have to do with race? ....

Read better.

by Nihil Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:17 am

Dray The Fingerless wrote:And highly unbalanced. It is not natural Nihil. As an organic being, as ANY sexually produced animal, we seek the opposite sex. If we do not, we do not contribute to life. It is a disorder, no matter how you wanna put it, genetical or psichological, it is a disorder. It is a fluke of the system, harmless one, but you shouldnt fucking take it seriously as a main drive of society. Because else we go fucking extinct.

Lol, no, I'm not saying that we should have it as the main drive of society. But, I'm saying that we should let people be who they want to be, themselves or otherwise. Also Dray, the system is different for humans, I've been saying that. We warped it ourselves using tools and machines. I don't think we qualify any longer as animals, but as fully thinking beings. I mean, look at classical Greece in Athens and stuff, they were fucking pedophiliacs affraid

Also, we wouldn't go extinct, there are more heterosexual couples than homosexual couples anyway, unless, of course, if the point you are driving at is a corrupting influence in human sexuality, then human sexuality, in itself, would become null just because of its ease of corruption.

by **Dray The Fingerless** Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:01 am

You just keep on pressing that fully thinking beings idea, wich is completely wrong and stupid. You cant think that. We are animals, wether we have rationality or not, we are still animals.

by Nihil Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:10 pm

Still, I'm just amazed I'm more liberal about this than the European Razz

My idea of the situation, in a perfect world, would be that people can feel how they want to feel, that it is OK to be either hetero or homo or bi, I don't care how someone feels about a person of the same gender, although, it would be awkward to have a guy hitting on me

by **Disturbed** Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:24 pm

man...do you only think in terms of liberal and conservative? Those are totally flawed and weak political classifications.

by **MasterBaitinTroll** Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:29 pm

thank u dist was about to say tht but if we stuck on tht conservative ftw

by **Disturbed** Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:31 pm

LOL...maybe they do for you, but u need to always be able to think outside the box, never restrict yourself to thinking in a certain group's point of view or else you may make flawed statements that you know nothing about (You'll become a conservative Nihil Razz

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by Nihil Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:32 pm

I was raised conservative believe it or not Dist, but around 07-08 i started to become interested in this stuff and did research on policies and economics and became a liberal

by **Dray The Fingerless** Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:08 pm

Instead of just NOT labeling yourself....

by Nihil Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:10 pm

I said liberal, not democrat, there is nothing wrong with saying that you are liberal or conservative is there?

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