The New Conservative Structure and Southern Strategy, well, just for Texas right now

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/06/22/2010-06-22_texas_gop_platform_criminalize_gay_marriage_and_ban_sodomy_outlaw_strip_clubs_an.html

Sad part is, we know most of the people in Texas are going to go for that. LOL

here is a quote

In addition, the platform says that homosexuality “tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit and leads to the spread of dangerous communicable diseases.”

It also states that homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in public schools and “family” should not be redefined to include homosexual couples.



In texas, is social progress an acronym for Satan's Pawns? I mean, that really seems sexist as it is, "breakdown of the family unit" lol, who ever told them what defines a family unit?

Probably had one too many husbands and fathers, when times get tough for the family, suddenly decide they're gay and leave the mother and family with no means of support. Now I don't care if they're gay, or decide they're gay before they start a family, but once you have a family to suddenly go "Oh hye I've been gay all along!" does tear a family apart.

that seems a very unique situation aard. Not to mention many men and women leave their families for countless other reasons, biggest reason is because they are assholes, so pointing out just one is also invalid.

Homossexuality is an abnormality, an anomaly. But like many other anomalies in human society, it is harmless. There are anomalies such as psichosis or other dangerous to the public ones that should be taken care of, but i do not think homossexuality attacks anything, apart from families and parents who are unsure of themselves. Like any other abnormality, it should not be part of a kid's education, but it must not be supressed, just like you should not hide from your kid the fact that there are albinos, psichotics, depressed people out there. You dont want him getting surprised or unexperienced with it.

Yes, but most reasons have to do with sexuality, and they're getting rid of porn at the same time so it's not like they're singling out just one thing. And while it is a specific situation it is also not isolated or uncommon.

Just for anyone else who believes I'm for this. There's a difference between being for something, and pointing out that it's not as black and white as people are representing it.

So ban porn and gays, and youll have fixed the two major causes of whatever the fuck they are trying to fix...oh, family valor and morals. that. Yeah....i dont think Texan families, with their repression of problems, supression of women, infidelities and shooting fiancees should talk about family morals...

in fact, pretty much anyone who speaks for family morals is gonna get their ass bitten.

Disturbed wrote:However yeah I agree porn should be banned for PC

i loved that part. really cracked me up

wich makes me crack up a bit more.

Texas is home to the most people married thrice.

I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally hope Ptolmey reads this thread and takes a shit on you all. That would make my fourth of joo-lie.

I'm not forcing anything.

I'm presenting facts, and then some of you continue to deny the facts.

ok in this case i agree with texas foshizal it does break down the family unit as stated in the gay mariage thing u cant have a child tht way and texas is right with out children it is not a family unit and with out a mom or a dad figure it would be confusing for an adopty to be strait or to be able to normal (excuse word normal) but i have a cousin who got adopted by lesbian parents now she is a lesbian it isnt ok with me in any respects tht u can adopt a kid into tht

pretty rave girl/Satan wrote:ok in this case i agree with texas foshizal it does break down the family unit as stated in the gay mariage thing u cant have a child tht way and texas is right with out children it is not a family unit and with out a mom or a dad figure it would be confusing for an adopty to be strait or to be able to normal (excuse word normal) but i have a cousin who got adopted by lesbian parents now she is a lesbian it isnt ok with me in any respects tht u can adopt a kid into tht

Like i said, it is arrogant and pretentious to think anyone knows what 'model' a family should have. In this case, Texas, like Nihil said, is home to many disruptive, incestual fucked up families. You sure THEY are the ones you wanna listen to when it comes to family? I know many people raised by gay and they are normal. But alas that is not the point.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:

pretty rave girl/Satan wrote:ok in this case i agree with texas foshizal it does break down the family unit as stated in the gay mariage thing u cant have a child tht way and texas is right with out children it is not a family unit and with out a mom or a dad figure it would be confusing for an adopty to be strait or to be able to normal (excuse word normal) but i have a cousin who got adopted by lesbian parents now she is a lesbian it isnt ok with me in any respects tht u can adopt a kid into tht

Like i said, it is arrogant and pretentious to think anyone knows what 'model' a family should have. In this case, Texas, like Nihil said, is home to many disruptive, incestuous fucked up families. You sure THEY are the ones you wanna listen to when it comes to family? I know many people raised by gay and they are normal. But alas that is not the point.

Really I thought it was European nobility that commonly married and had children with their siblings...

can i say it does not happen? there are to many screwed up people all over the world, like that guy last year in Germany... kept his daughter in a cellar and fathered 3 kids by her... again Europe...

You mock how we know what 'normal' is. Normal is the status quo the way it has been. If you want to look at intimate (sex) relationships, it seems to me that if there is no possibility of procreation (ie sex between men or between women) it is unnatural just as sodomy is not natural those thing were not intended to go in certain places. DO NOT start point to this side of the pond as 'incestuous and fucked up' when Europe has MORE of a history of that behavioral than we do. Seems to me most of your comments are born from a prejudice born of ignorance. Learn think on your own, filter out the BS, you will be a better person for it.

*Gibbs slaps Dray

wow, you were quite a prick there. did i say that i was on Europes side, or by that, any side? Did i say that i had any right, or any European had any right to criticize? Honestly? I said NO ONE has the right to point out what 'model' a family should be and i stand by my words. Texas simply decided to do it, and so its time to once again, shoot someone down from their imaginary pedestal. Im sure not EVERY texan, or person is like that, but you i would shoot down anyone else. Rest assured any other person would get the ears on me. I dont even care if its Texas, NO ONE has the right to say they KNOW , in a dogmatic way, what a model family is. NO ONE has the right to shove that idea into other peoples heads. I guess i touched a soft spot there?

How about YOU filter your ideas? You just preached my mind comes from a pool of ignorance, but arent you more ignorant for thinking you can preach to me without even knowing who i am? Do you know who i am Ptolemy? No? I thought so. I dont judge individuals without knowing them. Dont condescend me or anyone else just because they have an opinion different than yours. Kindly refrain from insulting me next time you try to argue your point.

You wanna know whats not natural btw? Cancer, Mental disorders, Genetic diseases. Wanna burn them on a stick as well? Shove them out of society forever?

Double post.

Perhaps it is best if i say what i meant in other words.

Texas wants to put a template on people to what they can or cannot do, mainly because they have a set moral rules, making them afraid of certain actions they wanna ban, because it destroyes the morals of families and family unity.

I retorted saying no one can impose their opinion on others, including what they think is best in terms of behaviours and family values. To support my theory, Texas has major family issues, divorces, single moms and dads, etc etc. One cannot ignore these and shed a light on just one.

Ptolemy, first off,

what about organ transplants? Are THOSE natural? No. Is talking with people 7,000 miles away? No. Is it natural to use condoms? No. Is it natural to use medicine at all? No. And Ptolemy, get your mind out of the gutter, this is totalitarianism at its finest. Controlling what people do in bed. But all it seems that you are focusing on is the fact that you are uncomfortable with the idea, not that it could possibly be a way of two lovers, just like a hetero couple, expressing their love through sex.

When you say 'mock what "normal" is to us' you show the fragility of the entire concept of "normal", that normal is relative. But even then, don't you and I live in America, supposedly a beacon of individuality and expressiveness?

Dray The Fingerless wrote:wow, you were quite a prick there. did i say that i was on Europes side, or by that, any side? Did i say that i had any right, or any European had any right to criticize? Honestly? I said NO ONE has the right to point out what 'model' a family should be and i stand by my words. Texas simply decided to do it, and so its time to once again, shoot someone down from their imaginary pedestal. Im sure not EVERY texan, or person is like that, but you i would shoot down anyone else. Rest assured any other person would get the ears on me. I dont even care if its Texas, NO ONE has the right to say they KNOW , in a dogmatic way, what a model family is. NO ONE has the right to shove that idea into other peoples heads. I guess i touched a soft spot there?

How about YOU filter your ideas? You just preached my mind comes from a pool of ignorance, but arent you more ignorant for thinking you can preach to me without even knowing who i am? Do you know who i am Ptolemy? No? I thought so. I dont judge individuals without knowing them. Dont condescend me or anyone else just because they have an opinion different than yours. Kindly refrain from insulting me next time you try to argue your point.

You wanna know whats not natural btw? Cancer, Mental disorders, Genetic diseases. Wanna burn them on a stick as well? Shove them out of society forever?

First yes i apologize that may have been a bit heavy handed, definitely was not taken in the spirit it was offered. know you? no i do not but i have a decent idea after reading your many posts in this forum. In this quote "In this case, Texas, like Nihil said, is home to many disruptive, incestual fucked up families." you said there many of these families. I took that to mean that you were of the opinion that most are and that Texas is the only place that happens. i was pointing out that, if that is truly what you believe, you are ignorant... may not have said that the best in my first post.

I would like to burn those disorders on a stick and get them out of society, don't you? do you like seeing these people suffer? if we could eradicate these diseases and disorders would that not be better for every one. especially those we are able to cure? I do not advocate killing the sick and demented, though i am not sure why stupid people are allowed to procreate, i do want those ailments eradicated.

And yes when people speak out of seeming ignorance of my country and the state of my birth i do tend to get a bit 'pissy', as my wife says.

Even in your latest post it seems you believe that Texas has a disproportionate level of these things than anyone else... i am not sure that is tru either.

i did mean erradicating the sick, not the sickness. as in erradicating the gay, not the gayness. both are in the same situation. uncurable, unharmful.

I never speak out of ignorance. And today is Texas, tomorrow is Ontario. I am where i am needed at the moment.

Ptolemy wrote:

Dray The Fingerless wrote:wow, you were quite a prick there. did i say that i was on Europes side, or by that, any side? Did i say that i had any right, or any European had any right to criticize? Honestly? I said NO ONE has the right to point out what 'model' a family should be and i stand by my words. Texas simply decided to do it, and so its time to once again, shoot someone down from their imaginary pedestal. Im sure not EVERY texan, or person is like that, but you i would shoot down anyone else. Rest assured any other person would get the ears on me. I dont even care if its Texas, NO ONE has the right to say they KNOW , in a dogmatic way, what a model family is. NO ONE has the right to shove that idea into other peoples heads. I guess i touched a soft spot there?

How about YOU filter your ideas? You just preached my mind comes from a pool of ignorance, but arent you more ignorant for thinking you can preach to me without even knowing who i am? Do you know who i am Ptolemy? No? I thought so. I dont judge individuals without knowing them. Dont condescend me or anyone else just because they have an opinion different than yours. Kindly refrain from insulting me next time you try to argue your point.

You wanna know whats not natural btw? Cancer, Mental disorders, Genetic diseases. Wanna burn them on a stick as well? Shove them out of society forever?

First yes i apologize that may have been a bit heavy handed, definitely was not taken in the spirit it was offered. know you? no i do not but i have a decent idea after reading your many posts in this forum. In this quote "In this case, Texas, like Nihil said, is home to many disruptive, incestual fucked up families." you said there many of these families. I took that to mean that you were of the opinion that most are and that Texas is the only place that happens. i was pointing out that, if that is truly what you believe, you are ignorant... may not have said that the best in my first post.

I would like to burn those disorders on a stick and get them out of society, don't you? do you like seeing these people suffer? if we could eradicate these diseases and disorders would that not be better for every one. especially those we are able to cure? I do not advocate killing the sick and demented, though i am not sure why stupid people are allowed to procreate, i do want those ailments eradicated.

And yes when people speak out of seeming ignorance of my country and the state of my birth i do tend to get a bit 'pissy', as my wife says.

Even in your latest post it seems you believe that Texas has a disproportionate level of these things than anyone else... i am not sure that is tru either.

Your country