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Post by Nihil Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:00 am

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Post by Disturbed Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:59 am

aye that's fucked up.
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:05 am

Aye...its like you want to moon the rest of the world.
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Post by Nihil Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:44 pm

I have to say, I hate the inherent hyper-nationalism in their website, but I have to agree with the cause.
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Post by Ptolemy Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:28 pm

so it doesn't matter that the legislation denied the right of individuals and organizations their right to political speech 90 days before an election? the SCOUS upheld the limits on 'soft money' and struck down the portion that limits free speech.

http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=201486

in that decision the justices wrote

“We...hold that stare decisis does not compel the continued acceptance of Austin. The Government may regulate corporate political speech through disclaimer and disclosure requirements, but it may not suppress that speech altogether,” Kennedy says in his decision.

The First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech...or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" For many, the McCain-Feingold bill removes this First Amendment right. Just who are the losers? It is the average citizen who wants to be a part of others to bring attention to an issue by pooling their funds and effort. This bill would muzzle those of us who are doing just that. But to no ones' surprise, the rich and powerful, the incumbent office holders and the powerful liberal media are exempt from the restrictions of this bill.

http://users.mikrotec.com/~dcgay/mccain.htm

In America, if you want to organize people to do something, you form a corporation. Most advocacy organizations and citizens groups are, of necessity, nonprofit corporations. "The law drew no distinctions between General Motors and the ACLU," says Joel Gora, a Brooklyn Law School professor who advises the American Civil Liberties Union. As a result, he says, "there are no ACLU ads challenging President Bush on civil liberties in the war on terror."

http://reason.com/archives/2004/10/07/fix-the-mccain-feingold-law





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Post by Nihil Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:38 am

Oh that darn liberal media conspiracy again!

Lets watch 'Outfoxed' shall we?


it is ok to have a bias in news, that is what news is, but when you twist the facts, fox news, then you deceiving the weak minded or weak willed.


oh ya, ptolemy, freedom of speech is limited, get that through your skull, finally, I don't want oil companies buying the Obama campaign.

Your logic is flawed, it doesn't make sense that we allow multi-billion companies, Microsoft, throw their money at a campaign to show their interests.

Also, I don't think the first amendment addresses non living entities... :serious:

Business is business, private, for money, for profit

Government is centralized, it is public, for the greater good, and not for profit, in a sense.

Unless, of course, you want to privatize the government, because, in effect, that is what you have done, campaigns can largely be bought.

I'm not saying I support every part of that old bill, but I'm saying that allowing corporations to spend into campaigns certainly puts it so that private business interests influence elections. Elections voice the will of the people, therefore, private interests should play no role.

You want china contributing to a communist or pro communist candidate of some sort?

That is so laughable, it is ridiculous.

I believe, Ptol, you are straight held on an ideology that does not hold up in the real world.

Also, that last part, it was struck down as unconstitutional Razz

Finally, notice the title, not a corporation, but a for profit entity.
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Post by Thing Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:42 pm

Fuck the Rancor Pit.
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Post by Aureus Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:54 pm

Rofl
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Post by Nihil Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:47 pm

rancor pit is great place for the facilitation of spreading ideas.
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Post by Disturbed Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:58 pm

or the killing of ideas in your case...
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Post by Nihil Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:29 am

y would u say that XD
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Post by Thing Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:09 am

Cause you're boring as shit. :serious:
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:12 am

No OT.
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