Modern Warfare 3 teaser

server maintenance. althou they are obviously overpriced of course, i wont deny that.

youre speaking out of your own ass aard. again, all i have to do is point to billions of people having fun everyday with MP and the discussion is over. they are having their fun, as much as you do with your singleplayer games. at the end of the day, thats what matters. ask any of them, theyll tell you the game is worth the money. tenfold.

Pay to play games are not really as expensive as you think. Well kinda is for EU, but for you guys it's a fucking bargain.(well after you get enough money to buy the actual game, in the case of Wow them being fucking 4 piece of shit blizzard), but still. If you actually play WoW for the purpose of the game, and not addictively like most people do, you'll get more fun out of it than you would in any SP game, or even most FPS MP(Trolling in black ops mp beats anything in terms of fun for me).

But if you play something as complex as wow or any mmorpg that's actually good, and not some cheap free to play rip-off, even without knowing anyone firsthand, you find people you can have fun with, and that's why the game is so expensive, because you play it for fucking years, and years if you really like it (again not addictively), as for a SP game, you buy it, you play it, you put it on the shelf.

again, server maintenance. no other reason to pay to play soul. WoW has a lot of content and like any MP, is as fun as you make it be. that said, they overcharge like a motherfucker, but hey, thats greed for you.

For the record: My observations have increased Aard and Dray's nerd level tenfold.

you will never meet a hotter nerd, i assure you.

A hotter nerd than Ard? i see Camus has a pic of Dray already.

Taking the same person and giving them two session with different people will give you different results Dray you can't get around that, this makes judging MP unreliable. SP is the only reliable judgment that can be made.

And I am the hottest nerd in this room, I jizz canon and shit retcon.

oh want me to fucking ruin that for you? i know people who call mass effect 2 the worst game theyve played in the last 5 years. it simply didnt work for them. so in a way, multiplayer can work better. because if you play SP and youdont like it, youll never like it, but Multiplayer has the dynamism to change that.

so in a way, SP isnt that reliable either. because theres no way youll ever like it, since it doesnt change. MP can always have its good parts, its good days.

now youre gonna say, well thats why demos dont work in MP and theres no way to know. but we both know that demos never demonstrate a game well. Single or multiplayer. so in a way, your only chance is to go buy and experience it, or inform yourself from other people, or play a good amount of it at a friends. either way, youll have to experience it completely to judge appropriately. and in the end, youll have reliable opinion if you like it or not.

For them yes, but that's not from the game, that's their preference about the mechanics and story telling. MP is completely different depending on the people, when I play JKA in a room full of newbs I have to dumb down my style so much to deal with the kata cluster fuck that when I get in a room with skilled people I might as well be playing two different games.

and some days, playing thru kotor is fucking unbearable because im in a bad mood. you are taking random variables that contribute little to games that nowadays, give you a wide array of choice. i cant think of a single multiplayer game that doesnt give you a range from amateur easy to competitive gaming. you just dont see that nowadays. just because there is a possibility you wont like playing a game in part, be it a singleplayer segment or a bad server in multiplayer, thats your personal experience to it, but the potential to the game is there, in equal ways.

you are defending an archaic view, created by what i assume is a very poor gaming experience.

The mechanics are always the same in SP, that's not true with MP. The mechanics of the game change depending on the people you play with and you won't get the same enjoyment out of one set of mechanics that you do with another.

bullshit, mechanics are the same, the only thing that changes is the challenge level.

Play with newbs in JKA get used to braking out the old DFA, use it at all with experienced players and you will be in pieces faster then you can blink. Use a poke against experienced players gives you an advantage, use it against kata newbs and you'll find your head rolling away. This is a change in mechanics, you can't recommend to someone by saying, "if you like this..." because they won't always get that result. You can overcome this in SP because the turnout is predictable enough to gauge. I couldn't ever recommend JKA on MP because I've experienced the huge differences you have depending on the room. You can argue SP has different difficulties, but this doesn't make certain mechanics in the game completely invalid, just more/less useful.

lol thats part of the fun on multiplayer aard. and no, thats not mechanics. mechanics are the tools you have at your disposal. how you use them is a different thing. and thats what makes a good game. there shouldnt be a 'do this and youll win' strategy. you have it all wrong really. besides, JKA is a fencing game. thats a very niche genre. its called strategizing, and quick thinking.

besides, whats your point to this? whats the fucking point your making
with this? how is this in anyway defending tha a game has to stand on
singleplayer? i have never heard greater bullshit. i reckon hundreds of
millions of peoples will disagree on you in the single fact that they
can. your logic is faulty.

subject A says all games have to have SP or its not worth it, because my taste is universal. subject B comes along and says he enjoys MP without SP and says its worth it, thus destroying subject As universal statement that MP is not worth it without SP. subject B shows millions of similar cases. subject B wins by logic AND statistic.

there. fucking done. argue all you want aard, i have the logic and the numbers on my side.

when you buy a game, you have to be certain of what you like. if you
dont like FPS, you dont buy them. that doesnt mean because you dun
fucking like sth, its your willy nilly choice to say this shit isnt
worth it, because i say so. who are you to fucking know that? i gave you
my history, you ignore it and hide behind some bullshit excuse of
variable levels of enjoyment, in your case, because in most cases, its variable levels of challenge for most people. yes, thats the fucking point of it. if you
always have the same thing going on multiplayer, then it has failed.
its main point of attraction are the different challenges and people you
meet that make you think fast and change your tactics. sometimes its
easier and sometimes its harder. thats the fucking point. you just dont
get it, and i feel sorry for you.

TL DR, just because sth can variate, is not a valid argument to its potential worth. Multiplayer lasts longer than singleplayer, and more often than not, offers much greater experiences. case in point, this clan, mmos, buddy gatherings, millions of voices who support it. im done here. not gonna bark at the tree anymore.

Yall took this to a pretty extreme level =_=

this is nothing, you should see the star destroyer vs the Enterprise debate.

Yeah well having a consequence of using a tool being dead means it's not really an option, you should be able to tackle a problem the way you want and have success to a degree, but that's not the case, and many MP games do come down to "do this and you'll win, or at least have a chance".

Fine, you can buy a game for MP, it's stupid, there's no way you can know you'll like it or even have an inkling because any judgment is rendered invalid once you enter a new room. So you're right, I should have said "a game has to be judged on SP" because MP is impossible to judge for an audience of anything but one.