All gave some, some gave all.

The sacrifice that is necessary to defend your country from those that would destroy your way of life is never easy. In or out of combat...

This is a story of a marine that was wounded about a year ago. The extraordinary thing about this story is that this story is not extraordinary. These men knew what they were getting into and the level of dedication they show before and, more importantly, after the event that leaves them scarred for life speaks volumes of the strength and character in them. I know it is a long read but, in honor of those that gave the ultimate sacrifice, I ask you to read it and honor those that have served.

All gave some, some gave all. God Bless...

honoring A Marine who lost limbs in Afghanistan, but not his spirit

The advances they are making in robotics, you will soon see people who have lost limbs with fully functional bionic ones, just as dextrous as real limbs. Pretty amazing stuff.

and without biological limitations on muscle and reflex. but thats AFTER they get to bionic limbs...like a Wii Plus, but like....Bionic Plus upgrade

That seems an awful lot like jingoism

that was completely about the character of that marine. the only mention of a different country was where he was injured.

You have no common sense nor sense of tact.

Most kids don't

MY POST IS LONG I KNOW :O

No, I mean the post... No one wants to "destroy our democracy" other countries have so many other problems that they have to deal with them first, even before they can take on us.

Also, when we have soldiers fighting the rich man's war for oil? I mean, I sympathize with their loss, but its like asking me to honor Brown Coats.

That is the way I look at it, also, we are not the only country out there, other countries children have been dying out there too. In Nazi Germany, people may have thought they were fighting for an honourable cause, and they may have died in the field, just like these soldiers in Iraq may think that they were fighting for an honourable cause, which is implausible to me after Abu Ghraibe, and they probably were asked to "honour their fallen" too. Look at history: no one honors the Nazis or the Brown Coats, and that is my point.

War is dangerous because of the nationalism it stirs up. Nationalism, should anyone want to know, is a disease, it was almost the sole participant in the lighting up of the Baltics leading to WWI and played a part in the lead up to WWII in Germany and Italy. Heck, even Einstein believes that it was an "infantile disease". I am as quick to bite the military forces of the world as soon as I am to praise them, because, no noble military intention is without damning fault, the fire bombing of Germany comes to mind. Especially in this day and age where we are fighting guerilla wars and not all-out total war. Where we kill tens of thousands of by standers by simply being in a country where there is an ideological wall of separation from a group and an long resentment towards foreign meddling in their domestic policies that is widely expressed.

Let me put it to you this way:

When Timothy McVeigh made his own terrorist attack on the U.S, did we invade ourselves? Lock ourselves down into dictatorship? Suspend Government, Habeas Corpus? No. We recognized that this is a small portion of society that we are forever doomed to encounter, it is such with the war we currently fight, and we only make it worse with our continual presence.

This is war is more about the "lets force our way of life upon everyone else" kind of war.

Call it childish, but I prefer to view today's events in the context and application of history. Gratias Sinas tibi Cicero! Not to know what happened before you were born is to be a child forever. For what is the time of a man, except it be interwoven with that memory of ancient things of a superior age?

Nihil wrote:MY POST IS LONG I KNOW :O

No, I mean the post... No one wants to "destroy our democracy" other countries have so many other problems that they have to deal with them first, even before they can take on us.

Also, when we have soldiers fighting the rich man's war for oil? I mean, I sympathize with their loss, but its like asking me to honor Brown Coats.

That is the way I look at it, also, we are not the only country out there, other countries children have been dying out there too. In Nazi Germany, people may have thought they were fighting for an honourable cause, and they may have died in the field, just like these soldiers in Iraq may think that they were fighting for an honourable cause, which is implausible to me after Abu Ghraibe, and they probably were asked to "honour their fallen" too. Look at history: no one honors the Nazis or the Brown Coats, and that is my point.

War is dangerous because of the nationalism it stirs up. Nationalism, should anyone want to know, is a disease, it was almost the sole participant in the lighting up of the Baltics leading to WWI and played a part in the lead up to WWII in Germany and Italy. Heck, even Einstein believes that it was an "infantile disease". I am as quick to bite the military forces of the world as soon as I am to praise them, because, no noble military intention is without damning fault, the fire bombing of Germany comes to mind. Especially in this day and age where we are fighting guerilla wars and not all-out total war. Where we kill tens of thousands of by standers by simply being in a country where there is an ideological wall of separation from a group and an long resentment towards foreign meddling in their domestic policies that is widely expressed.

Let me put it to you this way:

When Timothy McVeigh made his own terrorist attack on the U.S, did we invade ourselves? Lock ourselves down into dictatorship? Suspend Government, Habeas Corpus? No. We recognized that this is a small portion of society that we are forever doomed to encounter, it is such with the war we currently fight, and we only make it worse with our continual presence.

This is war is more about the "lets force our way of life upon everyone else" kind of war.

Call it childish, but I prefer to view today's events in the context and application of history. Gratias Sinas tibi Cicero! Not to know what happened before you were born is to be a child forever. For what is the time of a man, except it be interwoven with that memory of ancient things of a superior age?

Then get the f*ck out of our country. If you do not respect what our troops are doing then gtfo. You don't have to agree with what they're doing but you should have enough respect for the country you live in and the men that are putting their lives on the line so you can sit here and complain about how bad this war is and how bad America is. These soldiers are fighting a war on Terrorism, not oil Nihil. Yes, oil is a factor but it is not the reason we are at war. We're at war to defend the people of America and their freedom. You're sitting here complaining about all this because we have people who care about this country and everyone in it even though they've never met you. How would you feel if you put your life on the line for someone and all they did was complain about it? That's all your doing is saying this is all about oil and how you couldn't support them, merely sympathize because of loss. Any human can sympathize with human loss because it's an emotionally taxing event. I cannot believe you're sitting here ranting about this and saying this is us forcing our way of life on other people when it's the EXACT OPPOSITE. I am so sick and tired of you bashing the country you live in and the people who defend your freedom and liberty.

Shit just got real.

Aragorn wrote:

Nihil wrote:MY POST IS LONG I KNOW :O

No, I mean the post... No one wants to "destroy our democracy" other countries have so many other problems that they have to deal with them first, even before they can take on us.

Also, when we have soldiers fighting the rich man's war for oil? I mean, I sympathize with their loss, but its like asking me to honor Brown Coats.

That is the way I look at it, also, we are not the only country out there, other countries children have been dying out there too. In Nazi Germany, people may have thought they were fighting for an honourable cause, and they may have died in the field, just like these soldiers in Iraq may think that they were fighting for an honourable cause, which is implausible to me after Abu Ghraibe, and they probably were asked to "honour their fallen" too. Look at history: no one honors the Nazis or the Brown Coats, and that is my point.

War is dangerous because of the nationalism it stirs up. Nationalism, should anyone want to know, is a disease, it was almost the sole participant in the lighting up of the Baltics leading to WWI and played a part in the lead up to WWII in Germany and Italy. Heck, even Einstein believes that it was an "infantile disease". I am as quick to bite the military forces of the world as soon as I am to praise them, because, no noble military intention is without damning fault, the fire bombing of Germany comes to mind. Especially in this day and age where we are fighting guerilla wars and not all-out total war. Where we kill tens of thousands of by standers by simply being in a country where there is an ideological wall of separation from a group and an long resentment towards foreign meddling in their domestic policies that is widely expressed.

Let me put it to you this way:

When Timothy McVeigh made his own terrorist attack on the U.S, did we invade ourselves? Lock ourselves down into dictatorship? Suspend Government, Habeas Corpus? No. We recognized that this is a small portion of society that we are forever doomed to encounter, it is such with the war we currently fight, and we only make it worse with our continual presence.

This is war is more about the "lets force our way of life upon everyone else" kind of war.

Call it childish, but I prefer to view today's events in the context and application of history. Gratias Sinas tibi Cicero! Not to know what happened before you were born is to be a child forever. For what is the time of a man, except it be interwoven with that memory of ancient things of a superior age?

Then get the f*ck out of our country. If you do not respect what our troops are doing then gtfo. You don't have to agree with what they're doing but you should have enough respect for the country you live in and the men that are putting their lives on the line so you can sit here and complain about how bad this war is and how bad America is. These soldiers are fighting a war on Terrorism, not oil Nihil. Yes, oil is a factor but it is not the reason we are at war. We're at war to defend the people of America and their freedom. You're sitting here complaining about all this because we have people who care about this country and everyone in it even though they've never met you. How would you feel if you put your life on the line for someone and all they did was complain about it? That's all your doing is saying this is all about oil and how you couldn't support them, merely sympathize because of loss. Any human can sympathize with human loss because it's an emotionally taxing event. I cannot believe you're sitting here ranting about this and saying this is us forcing our way of life on other people when it's the EXACT OPPOSITE. I am so sick and tired of you bashing the country you live in and the people who defend your freedom and liberty.

Ara rep'd. I am honored and grateful for all those who served our country back then and who serve our country now. They deserve great respect and they earned that in blood.

Aragorn wrote:

Nihil wrote:MY POST IS LONG I KNOW :O

No, I mean the post... No one wants to "destroy our democracy" other countries have so many other problems that they have to deal with them first, even before they can take on us.

Also, when we have soldiers fighting the rich man's war for oil? I mean, I sympathize with their loss, but its like asking me to honor Brown Coats.

That is the way I look at it, also, we are not the only country out there, other countries children have been dying out there too. In Nazi Germany, people may have thought they were fighting for an honourable cause, and they may have died in the field, just like these soldiers in Iraq may think that they were fighting for an honourable cause, which is implausible to me after Abu Ghraibe, and they probably were asked to "honour their fallen" too. Look at history: no one honors the Nazis or the Brown Coats, and that is my point.

War is dangerous because of the nationalism it stirs up. Nationalism, should anyone want to know, is a disease, it was almost the sole participant in the lighting up of the Baltics leading to WWI and played a part in the lead up to WWII in Germany and Italy. Heck, even Einstein believes that it was an "infantile disease". I am as quick to bite the military forces of the world as soon as I am to praise them, because, no noble military intention is without damning fault, the fire bombing of Germany comes to mind. Especially in this day and age where we are fighting guerilla wars and not all-out total war. Where we kill tens of thousands of by standers by simply being in a country where there is an ideological wall of separation from a group and an long resentment towards foreign meddling in their domestic policies that is widely expressed.

Let me put it to you this way:

When Timothy McVeigh made his own terrorist attack on the U.S, did we invade ourselves? Lock ourselves down into dictatorship? Suspend Government, Habeas Corpus? No. We recognized that this is a small portion of society that we are forever doomed to encounter, it is such with the war we currently fight, and we only make it worse with our continual presence.

This is war is more about the "lets force our way of life upon everyone else" kind of war.

Call it childish, but I prefer to view today's events in the context and application of history. Gratias Sinas tibi Cicero! Not to know what happened before you were born is to be a child forever. For what is the time of a man, except it be interwoven with that memory of ancient things of a superior age?

Then get the f*ck out of our country. If you do not respect what our troops are doing then gtfo. You don't have to agree with what they're doing but you should have enough respect for the country you live in and the men that are putting their lives on the line so you can sit here and complain about how bad this war is and how bad America is. These soldiers are fighting a war on Terrorism, not oil Nihil. Yes, oil is a factor but it is not the reason we are at war. We're at war to defend the people of America and their freedom. You're sitting here complaining about all this because we have people who care about this country and everyone in it even though they've never met you. How would you feel if you put your life on the line for someone and all they did was complain about it? That's all your doing is saying this is all about oil and how you couldn't support them, merely sympathize because of loss. Any human can sympathize with human loss because it's an emotionally taxing event. I cannot believe you're sitting here ranting about this and saying this is us forcing our way of life on other people when it's the EXACT OPPOSITE. I am so sick and tired of you bashing the country you live in and the people who defend your freedom and liberty.

Exactly what I mean by jingoism^

"Freedom" is always brought up, what freedom? Freedom from having to find another supply of oil? Again, PLEASE, look at it in context to history, read my entire post, because I explained why, you know, Brown coats and such. The Islam Radicals don't want to force their way of life on us, what they really want is for us to leave, that is just the mantra they rally behind, maybe if we left them alone for once they wouldn't feel this way?

Nihil wrote: Exactly what I mean by jingoism^

"Freedom" is always brought up, what freedom? Freedom from having to find another supply of oil? Again, PLEASE, look at it in context to history, read my entire post, because I explained why, you know, Brown coats and such. The Islam Radicals don't want to force their way of life on us, what they really want is for us to leave, that is just the mantra they rally behind, maybe if we left them alone for once they wouldn't feel this way?

People have opinions, but in all honesty nihil i want you to get the fuck out this isn't the rancor pit. In respect to Ptolemy and this thread, i say take it to the rancor pit or

Sqrl wrote:

Nihil wrote: Exactly what I mean by jingoism^

"Freedom" is always brought up, what freedom? Freedom from having to find another supply of oil? Again, PLEASE, look at it in context to history, read my entire post, because I explained why, you know, Brown coats and such. The Islam Radicals don't want to force their way of life on us, what they really want is for us to leave, that is just the mantra they rally behind, maybe if we left them alone for once they wouldn't feel this way?

People have opinions, but in all honesty nihil i want you to get the fuck out this isn't the rancor pit. In respect to Ptolemy and this thread, i say take it to the rancor pit or

I was only expressing a cautious observation and then it developed into this, thankye very muchily.

Oh. My. God. Are you kidding me? What freedom? What the heck kind of a question is this? The freedom YOU have to go to school and learn what you know, the freedom to talk on this forum, the freedom of religion? ANY of this ring a bell? There are people who CAN'T practice their religion freely. There are people who can't go to the school they want to so don't tell me "what freedom". Such a response is an ignorant response and I know you're not an ignorant person, Nihil. You're a smart kid. We're not forcing our way of life onto the Islamic radicals, we're fighting a war against them to keep them from attacking us and our way of life. It wasn't them wanting us to leave that caused them to knock down the frigging twin towers, Nihil. That's a terrorist act, not a gtfo act.

Thanks ara for backing my ass up. Both of you TO THE RANCOR PIT NOW.

Aragorn wrote:Oh. My. God. Are you kidding me? What freedom? What the heck kind of a question is this? The freedom YOU have to go to school and learn what you know, the freedom to talk on this forum, the freedom of religion? ANY of this ring a bell? There are people who CAN'T practice their religion freely. There are people who can't go to the school they want to so don't tell me "what freedom". Such a response is an ignorant response and I know you're not an ignorant person, Nihil. You're a smart kid. We're not forcing our way of life onto the Islamic radicals, we're fighting a war against them to keep them from attacking us and our way of life. It wasn't them wanting us to leave that caused them to knock down the frigging twin towers, Nihil. That's a terrorist act, not a gtfo act.

Did you even read my post??? I answered most of that completely. American Freedom isn't all that unique anymore and this war, if anything has limited my freedoms, my mom is code "purple" and apparently she can't take home stuff from abroad, like Vegas, she has to have it shipped. People have been, without a warrant, wire tapped.

Also, I say what freedom because this war does nothing to preserve or enhance my freedoms.

To reiterate from my last post, Timothy McVeigh, we don't shut down the government from a homegrown terrorist attack, then why do we go to war in another country, have innocents killed so that we can go around with our 1/3 obesity rate and chuck our freedoms around like we are the only one's with them? Some people aren't that fortunate, yes, but do we go to war to solve that problem? NO. Otherwise, other countries who think differently from us would do it, and the entire world would be at war.

The twin towers was a gtfo attack, just like McVeigh's, he wanted the "evil" government out of his life, so he massacred federal employees at a state building with a bomb. My question would be how you could be so ignorant of history, American history for pity's sake.

Nihil wrote: My question would be how you could be so ignorant of history, American history for pity's sake.

My question is how the hell can you both settle this in the rancor pit? nevermind i'll do it myself

I'm going to respect the purpose of this thread that my Dad made to honor the people who serve our country and not continue this debate until it's moved to the Rancor Pit. I'll debate this if Nihil wants to continue, but it won't be here.

Respect for them soldiers brave enough to actually give their lives for their country, their moral values and will are noble. It is a pity thou, at how misguided their leaders make them...it feels dry and sad to see them waste a big chunk of their lives and body to not so noble causes...