Vivid Dreams

So I am having this amazing vivid dream, then BOOM a text goes off and wakes me up. I realized a pattern before in dreaming, but never really spoke about it. Does anyone notice that when you wake up right when you have a dream, that prior to waking up you have an amazing vivid dream? It's almost like your brain knows you are about to wake up, or that time slows down so much that you have this huge long dream in the instant your alarm or phone goes off. I started noticing this a few years back, and it seems consistent with my observations. Anyone else have this occur? Am I alone on this?

It's usually cause your last dream is the longest, not all dreams are for the same length of time. It's usually a step up of like 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 with your last dream being about 45 mins long. It's something like that anyways

i honestly only dream maybe 1 or 2 times a week
but the majority of time i just pass out and wake up
half the time i cant even remember going to sleep

Nah you ALWAYS dream, just usually most people can't remember dreaming.

It's not that, I understand you always dream, but it seems they get intensely vivid for me just minutes before I wake up, and most of the time this is only when I am startled awake by something like an alarm or phone call.

Well wouldn't a movie be more vivid if you had to walk out of it in the middle of it then simply just sitting through it and then leaving?

Thats not my point, how can my brain "know" I am about to wake up and make the dream more vivid? The only dreams that are very vivid to me, or at least that I can experience and know I am dreaming are the ones right before I wake from an outside source.

when you dream sometimes it seems as though you are dreaming for hours or weeks before you come out of it. Maybe in the 'real world' the alarm has gone off and in the 'dream world' your brain says 'gotta wrap this up' and gets more intense.

Ptolemy wrote:when you dream sometimes it seems as though you are dreaming for hours or weeks before you come out of it. Maybe in the 'real world' the alarm has gone off and in the 'dream world' your brain says 'gotta wrap this up' and gets more intense.

yes precisely, that is what I am thinking. So the consequences of that is some form of perceptual time dilation, literally time moves at a different pace for you. This could be tied to why time seems to go so fast when we are actually sleeping, so in a way those vivid dreams right when we wake up are sort of a blur between these two perceived measurements of time in our brain. This brings up the question, does time move itself or do we move time?

time moves itself... and is constant... nothing we can do can speed it up or slow it down at this time... we don't have the technology (that i know of) to mess with time... would be nice tho

Spiderman wrote:time moves itself... and is constant... nothing we can do can speed it up or slow it down at this time... we don't have the technology (that i know of) to mess with time... would be nice tho

Thats not my point, my point is that perhaps time passes the way it does due to not only light itself but also because of perception. This could imply that perhaps a fly could see time passing at a different rate than we do. If time is tangible and changable, then why can't it pass at different rates for different observers?

i am sure that a fly does percieve time different than we do... their lifespan is like.. 28 days or something? while ours is 80-100 yrs... im sure that in their "time" they live 100 yrs

Spiderman wrote:i am sure that a fly does percieve time different than we do... their lifespan is like.. 28 days or something? while ours is 80-100 yrs... im sure that in their "time" they live 100 yrs

Exactly, now the question is, does that perception affect the actual order of events. For instance, what happens to us in 1 hour of our perception, does it happen in 3 seconds in a flys? Does time appear to move "faster" to the fly?

I smell someone has been doin acid in here....

LOL no this is serious, I am asking this question based on my observations from the OP regarding time dilation of dreams (or apparent dilation)

Champion wrote:

Spiderman wrote:i am sure that a fly does percieve time different than we do... their lifespan is like.. 28 days or something? while ours is 80-100 yrs... im sure that in their "time" they live 100 yrs

Exactly, now the question is, does that perception affect the actual order of events. For instance, what happens to us in 1 hour of our perception, does it happen in 3 seconds in a flys? Does time appear to move "faster" to the fly?

it would be the other way around... in the time it takes me to type this ... roughly 25 seconds... its prob been about 4 months to the fly on my wall

Spiderman wrote:

Champion wrote:

Spiderman wrote:i am sure that a fly does percieve time different than we do... their lifespan is like.. 28 days or something? while ours is 80-100 yrs... im sure that in their "time" they live 100 yrs

Exactly, now the question is, does that perception affect the actual order of events. For instance, what happens to us in 1 hour of our perception, does it happen in 3 seconds in a flys? Does time appear to move "faster" to the fly?

it would be the other way around... in the time it takes me to type this ... roughly 25 seconds... its prob been about 4 months to the fly on my wall

Right you are correct. I know flies have sensory organs to react to fast moving objects *like your hand* but perhaps time dilation helps them dodge those things? Like it sees your hand coming in sooooo slow and thats why it can react so fast. Maybe thats why you need a swatter, so that you can move the object fast enough that in the flies perception it cannot react fast enough due to the speed.

Well think of it this way.

When you were young time passed slowly right? I think it is because of the total amount of time you have spent on this earth. as a percentage, the time spent in a day of a 4 year old is greater than that of someone my age.

See what i am saying?

Have you seen the movie inception?

Ptolemy wrote:Well think of it this way.

When you were young time passed slowly right? I think it is because of the total amount of time you have spent on this earth. as a percentage, the time spent in a day of a 4 year old is greater than that of someone my age.

See what i am saying?

Have you seen the movie inception?

yes I saw inception, was amazing. And yeah I see what you are saying, but maybe it has to do more with the organ responsible for perception the brain itself? Maybe when you are younger time goes "slower" because the brain is not fully developed? What you say makes sense though, since a fly lives such a short life it thus sees everything slower. That would also make sense the smaller you get, for instance, a bacteria lives a very short life span. Perhaps time dilation has to do with scale? The larger you are, the faster time seems? Sorta like when you view something very large moving at a high rate of speed, it seems very slow, and when you view something small moving slow, it seems faster.

Champion wrote:

Ptolemy wrote:Well think of it this way.

When you were young time passed slowly right? I think it is because of the total amount of time you have spent on this earth. as a percentage, the time spent in a day of a 4 year old is greater than that of someone my age.

See what i am saying?

Have you seen the movie inception?

yes I saw inception, was amazing. And yeah I see what you are saying, but maybe it has to do more with the organ responsible for perception the brain itself? Maybe when you are younger time goes "slower" because the brain is not fully developed? What you say makes sense though, since a fly lives such a short life it thus sees everything slower. That would also make sense the smaller you get, for instance, a bacteria lives a very short life span. Perhaps time dilation has to do with scale? The larger you are, the faster time seems? Sorta like when you view something very large moving at a high rate of speed, it seems very slow, and when you view something small moving slow, it seems faster.

Actualy thinking about the total amount of time spent. A year seems so long to a 4year old because it is a quarter of their life where as for me it is closer to 5%. it seems faster for me because, as a percentage it is less.

Ptolemy wrote:

Champion wrote:

Ptolemy wrote:Well think of it this way.

When you were young time passed slowly right? I think it is because of the total amount of time you have spent on this earth. as a percentage, the time spent in a day of a 4 year old is greater than that of someone my age.

See what i am saying?

Have you seen the movie inception?

yes I saw inception, was amazing. And yeah I see what you are saying, but maybe it has to do more with the organ responsible for perception the brain itself? Maybe when you are younger time goes "slower" because the brain is not fully developed? What you say makes sense though, since a fly lives such a short life it thus sees everything slower. That would also make sense the smaller you get, for instance, a bacteria lives a very short life span. Perhaps time dilation has to do with scale? The larger you are, the faster time seems? Sorta like when you view something very large moving at a high rate of speed, it seems very slow, and when you view something small moving slow, it seems faster.

Actualy thinking about the total amount of time spent. A year seems so long to a 4year old because it is a quarter of their life where as for me it is closer to 5%. it seems faster for me because, as a percentage it is less.

But is that just the way you are thinking about it, or does it actually pass at a higher rate of speed? Maybe its very minute? Like if you go very fast around the earth you can literally dilate a few seconds off the clock.

i have vivid nightmares before i wake up like min or less it looks so real, and after i wake up like min or less i still think it is real and i worry

Cllyx wrote:i have vivid nightmares before i wake up like min or less it looks so real, and after i wake up like min or less i still think it is real and i worry

Ever notice though that the ones right before you wake are the most vivid and memorable? Why do we experience those right before waking? How does the brain know waking is coming?

Champion wrote:

Ptolemy wrote:

Champion wrote:

Ptolemy wrote:Well think of it this way.

When you were young time passed slowly right? I think it is because of the total amount of time you have spent on this earth. as a percentage, the time spent in a day of a 4 year old is greater than that of someone my age.

See what i am saying?

Have you seen the movie inception?

yes I saw inception, was amazing. And yeah I see what you are saying, but maybe it has to do more with the organ responsible for perception the brain itself? Maybe when you are younger time goes "slower" because the brain is not fully developed? What you say makes sense though, since a fly lives such a short life it thus sees everything slower. That would also make sense the smaller you get, for instance, a bacteria lives a very short life span. Perhaps time dilation has to do with scale? The larger you are, the faster time seems? Sorta like when you view something very large moving at a high rate of speed, it seems very slow, and when you view something small moving slow, it seems faster.

Actualy thinking about the total amount of time spent. A year seems so long to a 4year old because it is a quarter of their life where as for me it is closer to 5%. it seems faster for me because, as a percentage it is less.

But is that just the way you are thinking about it, or does it actually pass at a higher rate of speed? Maybe its very minute? Like if you go very fast around the earth you can literally dilate a few seconds off the clock.

I am not sure that is realy... how it would work. you can cross the date line and loose/gain a day but that will not mean that you will live a day less/longer

When something wakes you up during a dream, those last few moments happen much faster then you think. It may seem like a couple minutes in the dream but that is actually your mind, realizing the stimulus and cramming as much of it in as it can before you come fully awake. When the human brain takes in more information then it can normally comprehend then the time it perceives will begin to slow so it can process everything.