Afterlife

Well to get our first serious topic going in here I've picked afterlife as a starting place. Do you think there's an afterlife or do we just rot in the ground? If you believe in an afterlife is it spiritual or scientific?

There's degrees of each, direct atheism believes that when we die, we die, and that's the end of it. However, there's also a few scientifically based beliefs in the after-life, I don't want to take the time to list them, mainly because there's far to many to list in one post, but to sum them up most believe that either the energy of consciousness moves outside our body because energy cannot simply vanish; others support a group consciousness theory in which all humans are connected at a deep level of consciousness, and that when one person dies their consciousness is kept alive in this group consciousness.

Spiritual beliefs in the after-life are wide and varied, and while I could list a brief description of each it would most likely spark controversy and arguments, so I will leave that to the members of those religions to describe and explain. A short explanation is best summed up that by doing good, and bringing people to the religion, you can gain entrance into an ideal paradise.

Then there's semi-spiritual. These beliefs are one part science, and one part religion, often trying to prove the existence of a God, or Gods through science, and to explain the spiritual references in those same scientific terms. These are perhaps the most numerous, and often require much more faith then the religions they support. I fully expect most people will choose this option as to keep both doors open, but in the vote I will leave only three options, so if you vote, you must choose which your belief is closer to.

i cant vote....this is seriously sth i have no idea of.

i have tought of that and what if we get NEW life but we dont remember the old 1 O.O

*whispers* thats called reincarnation, and theres a religion for it...its called Budhism....

Guess I'll explain my own first then.

I believe mine best fits a scientific perspective, I believe there are being greater then us, I do not believe them to be Divine, but i do believe them to be non-linear, meaning they view time all at once instead of flowing at a fixed rate. Likewise I believe that our consciousness is the same, and that when the body does die the consciousness survives as an expression on non-linear energy. I'm not sure if this is a proper theory, but it's what I believe in after extensive thought on the subject.

i some what agree with Aardvark , i think its scientical , and u no how we move r bodie with eletrical thingys(sry i forgot what they were called)
well i think they escape the bodie when the preson is dead and when it commes out after a long time it becomes what we would call a ghost
and in a funny way its like what yoda would call it is the force
(sry if i didnt explain it well)

OH, OK, THATS IT, THATS MY CHOICE, i believe we become oen with the Force. thats what i believe in, becuz, since no one knwos for sure what happens, at least let me believe in sth fucking awesome and cool.

Hmm I have two beliefs when it comes to this, I will share the first, the second might seem a bit strange so i will keep that to myself.

I think that when you die, consciousness is lost. The brains functions cease and thus thought does as well. The cells themselves can arguably be called individual organisms except they are symbiotic on the system as a whole. Thus with time all cells die and the only thing that remains is the matter that you were made up of. Now this matter, that is immortal. No matter what happens in the universe the measure of energy that was made up by your matter is eternal to the universe itself.

To Be Honest :\ I have no idea D:

this is what scares mesa :\

Champ whats your second one o_O if you don't mind me asking

eeeh, its spiritual, although what champ is saying does work in a certain logical sense, scientifically, the conservation of energy, and mass, would keep you as part of the universe forever, but, you know, what makes up a conscience, what makes us unique with our intelligence and our ability to make independent decisions, what makes us tick in a way such as a human being, its kind of weird to think about. But thats really why I deem it to be wholly spiritual, not scientific, because an afterlife deals with retaining a conscience.

expanding upon that, I think that our ability to think with such intellect is astounding, that ourselves are unique physically and mentally, as in a conscience of morals. We decide for ourselves, though often influenced by the outside. However, leave a man in a forest by himself, hypothetically, from age 0, he would have a set of morals, we are not hollow people, and again, our conscience is always something, it would seem, completely unique,

I'm using unique too much, i should expand my everyday vocabulary (-.-')

The ''spiritual'' phenomen is getting more famous becouse of all these ''Ghost hunting'' shows, allthought i must admit that i find the answer somewhere between spiritual and scientific.

^FUNNY AVATAR!!!!!

BUT I'm srry caps, sticking with what i think XD

ok now when i put my therioy out,i think every 1 thout i was saying that we become the force
that is not was what i was trying to say
even thou that the force is very close to real
now,u know thouse elertical things in ur bodie that allow u to move(not saying that we r hollow),well after u die they escape the bodie,and after a long time they find a way to form some what u looked like or just any form,and when they finnlly are able to form they look like what we call ghost.
so in a way it is speritchal but miss lead,and looked at in a scientific way it makes more seince

i think what happens is....nothing which brings me to the point .... which is gonna b in the topic ill make just in few min lol. !

As Aardvark said, he'll leave it to those of that religion to explain what it's belief is. I'm going to explain it in the Southern Baptist point of view, because I believe that's the only way it should be done. That point of view is simple, and easy to understand--sort of.

Okay, first of all, after death, there is a certain "spirit" which leaves the body after it is physically dead. Not a spirit which wanders the earth because of having unfinished business on earth or whatever, but a spirit which finds it's way to either two places. First, there is a judgement placed on a man's spirit, whether he be sent to Heaven, or be condemned to Hell. A man's spirit is judged firstly according to his belief in the Savior Jesus Christ, and secondly by the "good deeds" that the spirit accomplished in the physical realm. "Heaven" is the place where the eternal God "lives", and is the place where all spirits who believed in the Savior Jesus Christ and who were "good" in the life before go after the spirit leaves the body. Hell, however, is the other place where the "king of lies", Satan, and his demon servents reside. All those who denied the existance of Jesus Christ, and denied to laws set in the Bible go to this place of eternal anguish. This place is described in the Bible as being a place of eternal fire and will be dealt with on the day described in the Biblical book of Revelation. Hell will be "thrown into the lake of fire" on its reckoning day.

So basically the deciding factor of the Christian world view is whether one "believed" or not. The acts on earth committed by an individual are only a secondary deciding factor. Well, not a deciding factor at all; more of a factor which will dictate your rewards in Heaven. If one truly believed, he would get automatic acceptance into the "Kingdom of God."

If you're confused or have any questions just ask them, for I've put alot of thought into sorting out the circumstance of the Christian afterlife and have consulted with others about it. I'm willing to help unconfuse you (as long as you can not flame or purposefully disrespect these beliefs).

And that is religion's biggest fail. At least of this one. Faith comes before morals....

I actually think that good deeds come first

in my version of christianity

You believe so? Interesting way to look at it. Because faith dictates morals?

And you may have your version of Christianity, but this is the way it's instituted by the Bible.

I don't believe in a god that doesn't accept Gandhi

In Nazarene Christianity it's not one or another, you have to have both.

Yeah, I was explaining through southern baptist.

Believing in God, and Faith in God, are two different things. Believing in God means you acknowledged His existence, which isn't enough to get you into Heaven. Faith in God mean's not only knowing that he exists, but choosing to follow Him. If a murderer gains Faith in God, he is offering himself to be cleansed of sin, which clears all past acts. If a murderer believed in God, but went around willingly and maliciously slaughtering...he's not going to do too well in the after-life.

When I say God, I mean all of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.


Also, I'm sure God loves Gandhi very much!

Oh, and for my views on afterlife...let's find out! *BANG*

Wonderfat wrote:Believing in God, and Faith in God, are two different things. Believing in God means you acknowledged His existence, which isn't enough to get you into Heaven. Faith in God mean's not only knowing that he exists, but choosing to follow Him. If a murderer gains Faith in God, he is offering himself to be cleansed of sin, which clears all past acts. If a murderer believed in God, but went around willingly and maliciously slaughtering...he's not going to do too well in the after-life.

When I say God, I mean all of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.


Also, I'm sure God loves Gandhi very much!

Oh, and for my views on afterlife...let's find out! *BANG*

Those who believe in God will eventually want to follow what He says if He truly believes.

what about ghandi though?

Nihil wrote:what about ghandi though?

What does Ghandi have to do with this?