More Stupidity from the Texan Board of Education

[Nihil]

http://www.euroclio.eu/site/index.php/news-mainmenu-730/history-education-news-mainmenu-384/history-textbook-controversy-roils-texas.html


I GIVE UP WITH THESE IDIOTS!

I think we should have forty-nine stars now, quite honestly, they are a drain on what makes america great, not to mention, considering that about half of them think that they might need to secede, that we let them, and let them become a third world country, while we laugh at them! MUHAHAHAHA! jk but seriously, this shit is messed up.

[Thing]

So retarded...

[BgFighter/Ghost]

What more did you expected...

[Dray The Fingerless]

lol....sad.

[Skorp]

woooooooooooow

[Disturbed]

well, george bush WAS the senator of that place, so its to be expected

[Nihil]

I thought he was the governor not senator

[Ptolemy]

Ya think this should have been in the rancor pit?

Any way who should be in charge of what their kids are taught? If we elect the board we deserve what we get. just like we are getting now with our current president.

Besides, I am not sure what is wrong with presenting a balanced view of life and history of the US and the world. I remember in school there was alot of stuff we were not taught. we were not taught WHY James town almost failed just that it happened. We were not taught WHY there was a thanksgiving meal just that there was. We were not taught all of the reasons the civil war was fought just the slavery aspect.

There is so much more that we need to teach our kids that they are not getting now that it really saddens me. Many of you will disagree and that's fine but if you are not a citizen of the US your opinion does not matter in this instance because this does not effect you. You can mess up your own kids and let us mess up ours.

And this should be in the Rancor Pit

[Dray The Fingerless]

it wont matter either way, the Internet will take care of it.

[Thing]

Pt's touchy cause he's from Texas...

[Ptolemy]

dang rite!!!

LOL

[Thing]

[RussianAccent]Hehehehe, I read you like book[/RussianAccent]

[Nihil]

this could affect the entire text book nation, besides, they are going to take out some of the most influential senators in history because they were "liberal". The only reason they are in there, quite honestly, is because they are progressive, meaning they changed the country, conservatives don't change the country, they keep it the same, so why should senator Lindsey Graham be in the history books if he fought for keeping everything the same.

and Besides, they are going to teach less about lincoln, more about such things as slavery, and less about other religions.


Tell me, would you be offended if we said "For which it stands, one nation, under Allah, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." that must be how it feels for Disturbed, he doesn't want to say god, he may want to say Allah. I don't care if the founding father was a jew, a christian, a muslim, or a hindu, I just don't want that corrupting pure facts, and biasing the way we learn.

THURGOOD MARSHALL

They take him out, they cause segregation again.

THURGOOD MARSHALL won the famous case Brown v. Board of Education

he later became a supreme court justice, he is an American hero.

What they are doing is blatantly unamerican, causing history to be rewritten from a fairly biased stand point. History was written with facts in mind, but must have some sort of bias, all writing does, writers are sympathetic to ghandi, that is a bias, however so it may seem.

Why should they teach christianity in a public school? the rich have private schools for that, in my area, Xavier High School.

and painting Joseph McCarthy in a positive light? That is bias, they just don't like that the fact is, it was his own fault and undoing, not that the evil "liberals" wrote it that way.

[Dray The Fingerless]

if you read Hitler in a history book, you would not feel the writer being biased. Reading "killed millions of jews" is what causes the bias in you. And Nihil, i kinda think that phrase is still like that becuz the word God can mean so many things in so many religions...Allah is God, but in arab.

[Nihil]

not to these people


so then, what if you are a hindu, you have multiple gods, then what, under Krishna?

[Ptolemy]

not to these people


so then, what if you are a hindu, you have multiple gods, then what, under Krishna?

Nihil to you, any one that does not agree with you are far right homo/islamaphobe that are missing half the teeth in thier head and have an IQ that rival a jack ass. That about cover it?

Under God was added in the 50s during the 'red scare' that phrase was not originally in the pledge. Christianity matters to this country because the entire contental congress and signatories, with a couple of notable exceptions were Christians, the others were deists. here is the list of signers and their religion. as you can see all but what 17 or so were Christian? Througood Marshal was just as much an american hero as linclon, truman or Reagan. The freedom that was insured by this document has gaurenteed freedom for 200+ years, created an environment that was ripe for the creation of wealth and the avdancement of the human condition.

Just for the record, i agree that religion should not be taught in the schools, that is up to the parents. It also should not be 'against the rules' to carry a bible or pray at school. why would you place footbaths and set aside a room for a muslim to pray in and then tell a Christian that they cannot pray in that same building.

Now i know you will pick parts of this and attempt to show flaws in what i am saying. so i will say again this belongs in the rancor pit and not here.

[Disturbed]

Dude, I don't think we get personal footbaths in schools, not that I think of praying unless my parents are around anyways...and while I tend to disagree with Nihil, the guy who out up that poster was definitely a jack ass, piece of shit can't even spell right.

I honestly dgaf whether the guy who's put down is republican, liberal, or a zulu shaman. As long as he had an impact, that's good.

Tbh, history class pretty much counts as an extension of our sleeping time, esp US history with all those fucking charters and bills. There's no chaos at all, just made up chaos because ppl get bored with the stability.

[Aardvark]

The issues isn't with adding things Pto, the issue is that they're talking about taking things OUT as well. I'm not sure anyone would really care if they ADDED history to the books, most parents would be grateful.

[Nihil]

and its not just that they are taking out stuff, they are throwing in conservative movements, making a book that is, relatively, like i said back there, everything has bias, balanced further right, i would have a probelm with this if it was to the left too.

People aren't allowed to pray in schools because it is something for the general good, people would be offended, that is why we have stuff these days such as BCE and CE, before central era and central era, to replace BC and AD, because it assumes that we are all christians. That is why freedom of speech is also limited, in case someone uses it in a way that would harm others, such as during WWI when that famous supreme court case was officially declared.

Besides, didn't we establish a separation of church and state?

also, i'll tell you something else about all those signatories, they were white. Those are old social conventions. Why shouldn't we follow the social conventions of our time that hold true to a document as flexible as the constitution and not live by that of our 300 year ancestors. Besides, i'm fairly sure that the founding fathers didn't take out or add anything to history, unbalance the study of religion or anything because they didn't like someone.

If some of them were deists, as was commonly associated with the Enlightenment movement, then why would they support the idea of teaching christianity in class, more so than any other religion. If we are truly a secular nation, then why do we need to teach more christianity than anything. And with that god thing, put Allah to replace it, or Krishna, and just wait for the public outcry.


also, there are no foot baths or temples set aside for muslims, at least, i've never heard of that, or seen it, we've had a couple of Muslims pass through our districts.

Oh and lastly that picture was not directed at you, it was intended for a response to Dray, cause he was saying that allah was the same as god, and i was saying, to those people in the picture, it wouldn't be. I mean really, with all the lingo and stuff these days, do people really care? should they? lol

P.S: someone move to rancor pit?

[Aardvark]

and its not just that they are taking out stuff, they are throwing in conservative movements, making a book that is, relatively, like i said back there, everything has bias, balanced further right, i would have a probelm with this if it was to the left too.

People aren't allowed to pray in schools because it is something for the general good, people would be offended, that is why we have stuff these days such as BCE and CE, before central era and central era, to replace BC and AD, because it assumes that we are all christians. That is why freedom of speech is also limited, in case someone uses it in a way that would harm others, such as during WWI when that famous supreme court case was officially declared.

Besides, didn't we establish a separation of church and state?

Adding history can shape it, but so can limiting it. All information is biased in the way it is presented so you must present the most possible information in order for people to truly decipher what did happen.

Actually the only religions not allowed to pray in school are Judaism and Christianity, I've seen this happen first hand with th teachers giving the excuse that their culture "Requires" prayer while Christianity and Judaism do not have it mandated. It's partial, don't pretend it's not, people scorn religions that we have in our own country and make allowances for those in other countries, to be perfectly blunt it's not fair. Either treat them all with equal scorn, or stop caring about something that doesn't involve you.

Technically separation of Church and State is never mentioned in the Constitution. The phrase was actually involved in a series of letter between Thomas Jefferson & Benjamin Franklin I believe. Not saying it's a bad thing, just clarifying something.

[Disturbed]

I believe christains and jews are able to pray if they do it privately. I myself used to do it in a corner of the library when the time came. But not exactly publicly. Though I'm not sure how Christians and Jews pray, it might not be as quiet

[Aardvark]

I have a friend who did it silently at his desk once, the teacher came up and asked what he was doing. He calmly replied that he was praying quietly because he had forgotten to do so before he left his house. He got suspended for a week. No I am not exaggerating.

[Nihil]

The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The modern concept is often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

I found this on wiki, you can look it up for the rest


also, christians and jews don't necessarily have to pray at certain times, thus, it is easier to remain a devout Christian or Jew since you don't have to pray at certain times.


like i said, its for the common good, because religion can be a touchy subject with hardcore christians, jews, hindus, muslims, etc. So, in order to preserve peace, the common good is ensured by making public religious practice illegal.

oh and aard, what your friend was doing is perfectly legal actually, i was wrong,

PRIVATE PRAYER is allowed, organized prayer is not here are some links

http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstatemyths/a/SchoolPrayerBanned.htm

http://www.adl.org/religion_ps_2004/prayer.asp


technically we were all wrong

private prayer is allowed, organized is basically not, unless its private, or possibly even charter, i would assume.

[Aardvark]

The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The modern concept is often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

Ah but I was technically right, it wasn't in the Constitution, it was in the Bill of Rights.

[Nihil]

CURSES!

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