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Nihil wrote:doesn't do harm to anyone
its killing human race, the more same gender relationship shows less populated our planet will be, to me personal it cannot do anything, but it can harm others trust me I saw when one guy left his woman with two kids to be with another man
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Re: Lets Reopen Gay Marriage (Cuz I'm Bored!)
as i said, it is a disorder, but it is not threatening to us if we dont let it spread like a fashion.
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regardless of all the fear mongring over gayness, I still think giving them married status and that bull is just encouraging it further. Live and Let Live is fine, just not Encourage and Let Grow.
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Disturbed wrote:regardless of all the fear mongring over gayness, I still think giving them married status and that bull is just encouraging it further. Live and Let Live is fine, just not Encourage and Let Grow.
Actually, not letting them marry is already opressing and harrassing. This is just giving them all rights that straight people have.
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I don't think so. If married benefits are not as insubstantial as you make it sound then it is a given privelege and convenience. It does not stop them from being gay.
Freedom is great, but it should be tempered with morals and values and not be given to the extent that it promotes lewdness.
Freedom is great, but it should be tempered with morals and values and not be given to the extent that it promotes lewdness.
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Marriage doesnt damage anyone at all. Taking this right from them is just letting your own morals impose themselves on them. It is civil marriage after all. The civil union of two people. Nothing more. It wont cause lewdness or constant debochery/
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giving the ability to a man to marry a man is another assault on the family unit Kids need a Mom and a Dad to grow up reasonably well adjusted... there are exceptions as there always are.
I grew up in a single parent home and i am crazy as a loon but well adjusted. I did not want my son to have to grow up that way. It was hell. We were dirt poor and still better of than 90% of the world's population. we learned not to bitch about stuff we could not change and change the stuff we can.
So i got married and STAYED with it. its called commitment! when it gets hard you get to work harder not run away! I have seen kids grow in a 2parent, same sex house hold and they turn out like... well they are screwed up, I will leave it there.
I grew up in a single parent home and i am crazy as a loon but well adjusted. I did not want my son to have to grow up that way. It was hell. We were dirt poor and still better of than 90% of the world's population. we learned not to bitch about stuff we could not change and change the stuff we can.
So i got married and STAYED with it. its called commitment! when it gets hard you get to work harder not run away! I have seen kids grow in a 2parent, same sex house hold and they turn out like... well they are screwed up, I will leave it there.
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i think it would be better on focusing in laws such as when you marry, you are also commiting to the government, and failure to that commitment can cause some penalties. After all, married people get some money right? Well make them earn it. Commit yourselves to the marriage or suffer some penalties. I am not speaking about raising kids Ptol, im talking about marriage. I am yiffy as to letting gays raise up a child. In the end, it is realy about the parents and not about their sex thou.
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being raised by gay parents?....that's bound to work out....now the gays will be invading africa to get adoptions...but then the lions own them
I agree with ptol. And noone is imposing therir specific morals, it is a common theme across cultures and religions to define marriage as unity between man and woman. Just about EVERY culture deems it either inappropriate or incorrect. So it is imposing a general moral. Are u now going to argue that drugs should be legalized because they are they are the person's moral decision and do not harm others? It is a government, not some buffonery that has to run around bootlicking every random group that pops up. Next they'll be asking for illegal immigrant rights...wait, oh they already are..
I agree with ptol. And noone is imposing therir specific morals, it is a common theme across cultures and religions to define marriage as unity between man and woman. Just about EVERY culture deems it either inappropriate or incorrect. So it is imposing a general moral. Are u now going to argue that drugs should be legalized because they are they are the person's moral decision and do not harm others? It is a government, not some buffonery that has to run around bootlicking every random group that pops up. Next they'll be asking for illegal immigrant rights...wait, oh they already are..
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Drugs are a danger for society wellfare, threatening healthcare and cultural advancement. Illegal immigrants can put quite a dent on economies and on the legal working class. Gays....i got nothing.
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Gays can also hurt cultural advancement. You see, cultural advancement is a broad term and can come from a variety of views. Ppl could argue that drugs do not essentially harm the culture just as gays don't. Tbh marijuana is not super harmful or anything. However, there is a reason it is considered bad, and that is that it opens doors to other drugs and that is merely symbolizes the taking of harmful substances. In the same way, gayness symbolizes a taboo and disgusting sexual practices. Now I'm not saying ban them like weed, but to not favor them either. Making them married status would just elevate their position and make ppl think its OK to go either way and kids later will start getting used to being raised by 2 parents of same sex. 2 guys cannot raise a girl and 2 girls cannot raise a guy. You'd think its possible with all the single mom's etc but their different cuz u don't have this weird dual person environment where 2 girls are giving u advice on top of the outside world. It just spells personality fuck all over it.
And like I said, give them all rights that an average citizen has, minus marriage or anything that involves a boost in popularity. Ofc, if it happens, I wouldn't care either way.
And like I said, give them all rights that an average citizen has, minus marriage or anything that involves a boost in popularity. Ofc, if it happens, I wouldn't care either way.
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You know, they pretty much do things now that if marriage was legal, would not change at all. You see, the popularity that gays have is not influenced by marriage. If anything, rather than getting this law passed silently, all the debacle and debate against it has lead this theme that would not at all influence society at a cultural level and has given it way too much importance. Its marriage, not legally allowing sex in public, or adoption.
In short words, this is gonna pass eventually. Fighting it is just giving it popularity that you dont want for this lifestyle.
In short words, this is gonna pass eventually. Fighting it is just giving it popularity that you dont want for this lifestyle.
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Disturbed wrote:Gays can also hurt cultural advancement. You see, cultural advancement is a broad term and can come from a variety of views. Ppl could argue that drugs do not essentially harm the culture just as gays don't. Tbh marijuana is not super harmful or anything. However, there is a reason it is considered bad, and that is that it opens doors to other drugs and that is merely symbolizes the taking of harmful substances. In the same way, gayness symbolizes a taboo and disgusting sexual practices. Now I'm not saying ban them like weed, but to not favor them either. Making them married status would just elevate their position and make ppl think its OK to go either way and kids later will start getting used to being raised by 2 parents of same sex. 2 guys cannot raise a girl and 2 girls cannot raise a guy. You'd think its possible with all the single mom's etc but their different cuz u don't have this weird dual person environment where 2 girls are giving u advice on top of the outside world. It just spells personality fuck all over it.
And like I said, give them all rights that an average citizen has, minus marriage or anything that involves a boost in popularity. Ofc, if it happens, I wouldn't care either way.
Marijuana would not be a gateway to illegal drugs if it was not considered a drug, just as alcohol is not a gateway drug. I could argue any illegal drug is a gateway drug. Once the user gets over the fact he is taking an "illegal" substance he will usually try others since that barrier is broken.
My opinion is opposition to gay marriage based on "the kids will be raised wrong" or "its not natural and the kids will come out gay" etc etc is a severely flawed argument and like most conservative views, lacks empathy. For one, you cannot judge every person as a whole. Each parent, gay or not, will raise their kids in a different manner. It is insulting to humans to categorize and label people.
I think the problem is people view being gay as somethng you are "born" with, and they make it seem like a black and white issue. Its not. This is science, and science is rarely black and white. My belief (and the obvious truth if you are honest with yourself) is that being gay is a combination of hormonal influence and fetish desires. We all contain hormones which influence our sexual preferences, and most animals tend to have bisexual preferences. In most men (and women) the suppression of this hormonal influence is usually enough where the man will view gay sex as "gross" and not engage in it. But others will give in to temptations (be it sexual satisfaction or curiosity) and then develop a fetish for penis (or vagina if female) much like a guy develops fetishes for boobs or ass as he progresses in his sexuality. We are intelligent creatures, and curiosity about sex starts at a very young age. Countless siblings have "experimented" with eachother as they were growing up at a young age. This proves even children have sexual curiosity and can feel sexual sensations (young girls under 5 have been observed rubbing there bottoms on rugs to stimulate their organs when the child herself did not even know the purpose of this sensation was. Thus some people may develop this fetish at a young age.
I know from personal experience I dwelled on sex even at a young age. I clearly remember being in kindergarten even, and this girl was sitting next to me and I wanted to touch her so bad and I did not really understand why. "Cooties?" Its a boys way of dealing with his sexual feelings towards girls by "putting it off" till later on in his life (essentially boxing girls out till his balls drop).
But back to the original point, if you are going to oppose marriage by gays, say its a religious thing but don't try to use science against it (saying it harms cultural ties or promotes bad personalities) when you have no evidence other than your own personal feelings.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6735XI20100804
gay rights ban overturned in california, heading to supreme court
gay rights ban overturned in california, heading to supreme court
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Nihil wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6735XI20100804
gay rights ban overturned in california, heading to supreme court
Oh my good that where I live!!!!!!!!
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Fucking OT guys... im about to close this forum soon im getting tired of warning about it, and if its gonna keep happening these threads might as well be in the fucking cantina.
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[/quote]Dawn_Twilight wrote: Well, tell me this, how do you know being Straight is normal? Hmmm? How?
Ok, 1: i did not read the whole 17 pages...and I dont really know if anyone said anything about this except Aard...
2: I don't have any problems with gays/bisexuals or w/e...As long as they act normal, and not start "hitting" on straight people, don't know what the problems is.
3: But yet, that phrase is the most retarded, retarded, retarded, retarded thing I have ever herd in my entire life. Dawn, were you even awake when you said that?! Let's put it this way. Natural things: You don't see animals being gay, now do you?
And anyway, how is being straight unnatural!? Since when can gays make babies?
And with the bisexual thing, well, I think every bisex. will have a preference, and if he/she will ever get married, he/she will have to choose 1 gender, and chances are they will pick the same gender, therefor being considered gay, and people would have a problem with that...
Well that's the longest thing I have ever posted in this forum, and I was watching tv when I was writting, so mistakes are welcome.
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two problems with that
Normal is relative, normal in one place maybe different in another and changes with time.
and that there are examples of gay animals.
and what are you watching on the television? O.o
Normal is relative, normal in one place maybe different in another and changes with time.
and that there are examples of gay animals.
and what are you watching on the television? O.o
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Normal is the continuation of life. Homosexuality is abnormal, no matter how you slice it. Abnormal does not mean bad though. Its how you view it.
As for gay animals, proof? The only gay acts animals participate in is sexual acts of dominance. There are a few species that engage in sexual acts for pleasure (bonobos for instance) but by far the animal kingdom uses bisexuality for dominance purposes (even humans invent terms for sexual dominance, such as "fuck you" which is short for "I will fuck you" which is an animal way of saying "I will dominate you".
As for gay animals, proof? The only gay acts animals participate in is sexual acts of dominance. There are a few species that engage in sexual acts for pleasure (bonobos for instance) but by far the animal kingdom uses bisexuality for dominance purposes (even humans invent terms for sexual dominance, such as "fuck you" which is short for "I will fuck you" which is an animal way of saying "I will dominate you".
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I was actually talking about him saying ACT normal.
I'm not going to defend that Homosexuality isn normal. But, it is OK to be that way.
I'm not going to defend that Homosexuality isn normal. But, it is OK to be that way.
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