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Post by Ptolemy Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:15 pm

Michael Yon is a former Green Beret, native of Winter Haven, Fl. who has been reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan since December 2004. No other reporter has spent as much time with combat troops in these two wars. Michael’s dispatches from the frontlines have earned him the reputation as the premier independent combat journalist of his generation. His work has been featured on “Good Morning America,” The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, CNN, ABC, FOX, as well as hundreds of other major media outlets all around the world.

There have been many comments about American arrogance. During my travels to 48 United States and over 50 countries -- most of those states and countries multiple times -- some themes have emerged.

There is a pervasive sense in the United States that we are THE best. I've seen this in four other countries: Canada, France, India, and China. While many Americans think they/we are THE best in the world (whatever THE best might be to the thinkers of those thoughts), significant numbers of Canadians and French will inform you they are superior to Americans (and to Germans and Brits), while Indians and Chinese are superior to all of us. Oh, and don't forget Israelis who have a tendency to burst out saying they have the "Most moral country in the world!" (They say that with exclamation mark.) Israelis also say, "We have the most moral Army in the world!" Wasn't so long ago that the Germans were likewise self-convinced. Today the Germans are convinced they are superior to Austrians who are superior to Germans. Both are superior to Turks and Americans, while Polish are superior to Russians who are superior to all their neighbors and to Americans. Czechs are superior to Slovaks. Many people accuse Koreans of a superiority complex. Goes on—in fact, this thought could go on for hours. There are many Thais who feel superior to hill tribesmen, Cambodians, and plenty of others, and Chinese who are superior to Tibetans, (but that's redundant because Chinese are superior to everyone). Except Egyptians and Saudis, who both are superior to Indians and Chinese. And let's not get started on religion—because the Hindus are convinced they are superior to all, and of course Jews have their own thoughts, as do Yezidis, Christians, and let's not forget Muslims, Mormons, and Rastafarians, all of whom are “the chosen people,” like those found in Saudi Arabia. The first religion, and therefore most superior, is Yezidism, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism and only God knows what else. Muslims look down on Sikhs. The first people on Earth were Koreans, Africans, Yezidis, and Adam & Eve, though some scientists say we came from monkeys. Many scientists believe all true science is superior to religions, but apparently this leaves, ironically, anthropology out in the cold, because anthropologists (isn’t that what this is all about?) can’t even make up their minds if they are scientists or not. Arabs are superior to Persians. But what exactly is an Arab? Do you know? I don’t. I tried to figure out what an Arab is and got very confused. In any case, Persians are superior to Arabs, and to Kurds, while Kurds also are superior to Arabs, though Arabs look down on Kurds. Some Arabs are Sunni Muslims while others are Shia or something else. Sunni think Shia are dumb. All Arabs and Persians are superior to Afghans who are superior to Russians and to Pakistanis who in turn are superior to Indians (apparently not realizing that Indians are superior to everyone, except Egyptians, Saudis, and Chinese), while Nepalese are superior to Indians, but again, the Nepalese apparently don't realize the Indians don't care because they will soon surpass China in population! (Which Indians will also say with an exclamation mark.) Inside Nepal, Brahmans are superior to Sherpas, though pretty girls prefer Gurkhas. This generation is inferior to that, while writers look down upon photographers and staff are superior to freelance. Newspapers were superior to bloggers.

Northern Europe is superior to the whole of Southern Europe. Marines are superior to Soldiers. Oh Lord, I travel too much. Could go on for hours about all the arrogance out there. Just a little more: Aussies are superior to Americans and to Kiwis, while Kiwis are upset when we don't know where they are. Gators are superior to Seminoles, but there is actually truth to this because Seminoles actually are inferior to Gators. Mammals are superior to reptiles. And to birds. And to fish. Bacteria and viruses are superior to mammals but neither talks about it.

So there. Top that!


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Post by Dray The Fingerless Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:18 pm

I dont get it.
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Post by Thing Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:18 pm

L2Spell arrogance.
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Post by Champion Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:09 pm

Basically an American who found out the obvious.
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Post by Aardvark Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:43 pm

Everyone thinks they're superior to everyone else. Not a surprise, look at any gaming server and it becomes blatantly obvious.
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Post by Spidey Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:44 pm

i am superior to you all... and that is why i am the new BM


*wakes up* ahhh shit Sad
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Post by Sqrl Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:54 pm

Aardvark wrote:Everyone thinks they're superior to everyone else. Not a surprise, look at any gaming server and it becomes blatantly obvious.

^ exactly. and thats not "american arrogance" thats more or less the whole population of the world, not just in America.
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:05 am

I just call it american hipocrisy...

I think the problem is that, yeah India and China nad etc etc all have arrogance issues, but none of those countries puts in your screen and in your clipboards, and gets under your skin the fact of what they think. America, thinks its better, and annoyingly SHOWS it ALL the time. Everyone is selfish and self absorbant, but you dont hate him, you go to a party, you tolerate each others, unless you see that guy in the room who is CONSTANTLY treating everyone inferiorly, you know, that loud snob guy you try to avoid talking to? Yeaaaah...

STILL,i think its more of a hipocrisy than an arrogance problem.
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Post by Ptolemy Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:36 am

how many other countries have made it to the moon?
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Post by Aardvark Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:29 am

Over a dozen have the capability.
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:42 am

Ptolemy wrote:how many other countries have made it to the moon?

And you just ended with your space shuttle program in October. Woopty fucking doo.
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Post by Ptolemy Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:23 pm

not capability actually been there. Had the balls to go...

*listens to the haters

Thats what i thought...
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Post by Aardvark Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:35 pm

There's nothing there, why would any sane person fund a mission to a place they couldn't get any materials out of and had already been explored? America was actually quite idiotic to fund so many pointless missions and increase our national debt when there was no foreseeable financial or scientific progress to be made.
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:49 pm

Aardvark wrote:There's nothing there, why would any sane person fund a mission to a place they couldn't get any materials out of and had already been explored? America was actually quite idiotic to fund so many pointless missions and increase our national debt when there was no foreseeable financial or scientific progress to be made.

Lol ptolemy, you got internally owned.
And hes right, every space program in the world can go to the moon, but its a waste of resources. And Russia beat you in every single other race, you just won the LAST thing available to win, the moon. It really was only driven by the Cold War. Granted, the Cold War did good to scientific development...if for the wrong reasons, but still.
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Post by Ptolemy Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:20 pm

I dunno, how do we know what is there unless we explore? why go anywhere if there is no foreseeable economic gain? how do we know what is under the lunar surface and weather or not it would be economically beneficial? sure we have scratched the surface but we do not even know what is where on our planet with out a thorough survey and extensive samples taken from holes bored into the surface. There is no way we know weather or not it would be beneficial to go there.

Besides there is more to be gained than economic rewards, as you pointed out the technological advances alone were worth the expenditures put out by the US and Russia and the continuation of such an endeavor would aid and speed the development of tech that would make the trip easier. Such advancements would make the trip worth it. Not to mention the cooperation and good will that multi national efforts would foster.
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Post by Sinusoidal Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:26 pm

how many countries have dropped a nukes on another country? America Fuck Yeah!
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Post by soran Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:29 pm

MMMMMERICA!
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Post by Ptolemy Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:33 pm

Sinusoidal wrote:how many countries have dropped a nukes on another country? America Fuck Yeah!

Well there is that as well. we have learned well the horrors of a nuclear war and, while we keep such weapons as a deterrent, i doubt we would ever use them rashly. I doubt we would ever allow our selfes to be wiped out with out afflicting damage on our enemy either.
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:42 pm

I dont get it, we are talking about American arrogance, hipocrisy, or achievements? Cause the starting topic portrayed to the world view of America today.
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Post by Ptolemy Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:28 pm

actually the point of the thread was to point out the arrogance and hypocrisy that runs rampant in EVERY corner of the world not just from America. The thought or belief that you are superior as a people is not just an 'American' thing.

Not that a superior highly evolved person such as your self would fall in to such a trap... Razz
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:32 pm

no i agree, but America fails because it makes the mistake of PUBLICIZING itself too much. Your basically painting a big red target sign for people to shoot at.

Funny enough, here in Portugal people wish they were in Spain, and the Spanish wish they were in Portugal(economy and stuff like that)
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Post by Champion Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:04 am

Yeah but you can talk shit when you are capable of beating everyones ass.
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Post by soran Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:53 am

and that kinda talk is exactly why one day we're gonna have a giant nuke goin towards us XD
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Post by Dray The Fingerless Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:53 am

Oh really Champ? Why dont they then?
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Post by Sinusoidal Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:15 am

because whos going to take on the minimum wage jobs in america if we kill all the immigrants? i sure as hell wont, im an american
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