Possible Genocide...

They have the right to marry in many states with all the rights of any normal married couple, so don't give me that shit. And kicking out a tenant is something up to the owner, it's a private concern that can't be changed by law.

Don't give me this bullshit about being oppressed, they have all the rights as a normal person with few exceptions. Oppression is being enslaved, oppression is being able to be legally beaten, oppression is making life unbearable for someone.

Did you know that I can legally be taken to court and sued for say that I have a personal belief that being gay is wrong? Must be nice to have that much power, I can't sue anyone for saying the over-eating is wrong, that smoking is wrong. And when you get right down to it, it's the same, a choice, they choose to be gay, just like some choose to smoke, or others to over-eat. It's not a life requirement.

aard shows his true colors O.o

Same-sex marriage, also referred to as gay marriage, is a marriage between two persons of the same sex. The federal government of the United States does not recognize the marriages of same sex couples and is prohibited from doing so by the Defense of Marriage Act. Nationwide, four states have legalized same-sex marriage as a result of a court ruling, while three others have done so through a vote in their respective state legislatures.
Same-sex marriage is permitted in five of the 50 states:
In Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, and Vermont, marriages for same sex couples are legal and currently performed.
In New Hampshire, same-sex marriages will begin on January 1, 2010.


thats from wikipedia just an fyi

fine, if you don't like that example, of tenants, i'll show you another, that you can be fired for being gay, i mean comon, both of those are oppression, like being black and not being permitted to rent or take up jobs.

so if we replace gay with a race, then if a Black man wants to rent out a house, he can't, why, he is black. that is wrong too

lemme show you something aard

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/06gay.html

psychologists reject gay "therapy"

if you aren't a psychologist, then you can't dispute this,

its almost laughable that you say that people choose to be gay

also, if you don't have a house and are a poor homosexual then yes, life is unbearable, because you may be shoved out on the streets and out of a job because of your sexual orientation,

prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control : a region shattered by oppression and killing.

prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control

unjust treatment or control

i was just watching the rachel maddow show, and she was taking down someone who said that you could "cure gays",

the facts show that their lives are horrible in some areas, and psychologists agree too about it,

read le article!!^^

Aardvark wrote:You guys seem to miss what Ilmarë and I are saying. We have no problem with the thought of being gay, or with people who choose to be, we have a problem with the ridiculous political expectations they have and have little sympathy when that political standing comes back to bite them.

/agreed get a grip guys the friggin prtests are piising people off!
and about uganda. has anybody watched the last king of scotland? the dude is ugandin presidante that guy is hitlers cousin for sure and in same place years later uganda decide to kill gays not surprizing really

(Dawn: i have no problem with you being gay man, your my friend and thats what matters)

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you didn't read a word of my last post did you?

A lot of other people are oppressed in different ways so gays have to learn to deal with it. You CAN choose to be gay by the way and it usually is that way. I won't dismiss the fact that some people are born with certain genes that give them a preference for one sex but you can still choose the other , hence choosing to be gay or straight.
Another thing, I'm traditional so I believe marriage is only between a man and a women.

o.o all I have to say

if you were oppressed you'd be bitchin' bout it

and read the article dr. phil

ur no psychologist these guys are, though,

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/06gay.html

hate to tell you, but u are wrong with a capital W against the power of facts
there are no "gay" genes, i read an article in time about that a while back

so since you believe that you can choose, then why not allow others to marry, u aren't open minded, you concern it about yourself, you and i are both straight, but that doesn't mean that, according to your theory, that our gay counterparts who "chose" that way are less than us.

lots of people are oppressed, but this is about people in america and what we can do for them

its hypocritical, nearly, to say that, since people can chose, only those who chose your way are allowed to marry.

Talkin'boutFreedom wrote:A lot of other people are oppressed in different ways so gays have to learn to deal with it. You CAN choose to be gay by the way and it usually is that way. I won't dismiss the fact that some people are born with certain genes that give them a preference for one sex but you can still choose the other , hence choosing to be gay or straight.
Another thing, I'm traditional so I believe marriage is only between a man and a women.

o.o all I have to say

if that is your tenet to what defines marriage, you have defiled the original meaning of it, instead inserting a social rule into it.

being gay depends on genes, environment, and ultimately, personal choice. believe it or not serv, most of the time the choices you make are not voluntary. it is ur brain giving u statistics, based on ur gene pool and ur experienced life. some people, due to these two factors, tend to homossexuality. they have the mental liberation to be homossexual. some rare cases, the mental liberation turns into mental obligation, being that their mind has been so molded that they can only be homossexual. ultimately, it is their logical and rational choice that decides what to do. but this is HEAVILY, HEAVILY, influenced by the other two factors. saying you have a choice is not the best way to put it.
id say more of a....semi-choice.

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on another note, nihil, aard is right. gays lose their leverage due to many of those stupid protests and parades they do. being gay isnt taboo anymore. its on the same level of racism. a racist nowadays, is marginalized by society. and so do homophobes nowadays. they are marginalized by society. once that happens, they have won, the same way black people won their equality these days.

the moment the opresser becomes opressed due to his ideas, thats when you have won equal rights.
this shit in uganda? you dont even know the kind of shit that president is getting himself into. hes gonna fuck himself up with this. its a shame that the african continent hasnt been able to develop to a bareable standard.

Pretty much sums up my argument.

well i agree that the gay pride thing is way over done

but i'm saying that have a right to protest,

and dray, there are no gay genes, there was a report on that in time a couple years ago,

but yes, people are ultimately influenced by life style and the people around them and by the people who they are.

Nihil wrote:well i agree that the gay pride thing is way over done

but i'm saying that have a right to protest,

and dray, there are no gay genes, there was a report on that in time a couple years ago,

but yes, people are ultimately influenced by life style and the people around them and by the people who they are.

there are gay genes. ask a geneticist. he will give you a more complex answer, but you should be careful the way you interpretate the expression 'gay gene'.

found the article dray

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983027,00.html

edit: unless of course ur talking about it in a diff way

Nihil, I never said they didn't have a right to protest, I said they should be civil about it.

Anyway, Uganda's only gonna kill like 5 or 6 people...



Lol, jk.


To be honest though, I don't give a shit if they protest. As long as I'm not harmed, I'm ok with it.

well, i think they are being civil, though all the pomp for it is over done, but you know its passion

He's got a point there.

Nihil wrote:found the article dray

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983027,00.html

edit: unless of course ur talking about it in a diff way

"The two scientists are not foolhardy enough to claim that a single gene can make a person homosexual. But they think their studies may yield important new insights into how genetic makeup, through a complex series of biochemical reactions, influences sexual orientation."

influence. also, there are gay ppl without the gene btw. the gene is just a added influence to who has it.

Ilmarë wrote:first off, its their choice to do so...and while they find it cool, I find it repulsive, so plz try not to stick it in my face. I could care less if they get married or whatever..but I could also care less if they're being massacred by Ugandans because people the world over are being massacred for things that are not their choice or 'tendencies'.

i just proved it wasn't their choice with that article in the nytimes, did you read it?

also, it is horrible that people are being massacred around the world for different things, however, this is something that WE CAN STOP, unlike many other situations that your comment holds.

I also had just shown that they can't get jobs and equal opportunities, that too is something that WE CAN CHANGE,

so why don't we? the lack of respect for human life shown in your comment is horrible.

"Because I am hard you will not like me. But the more you hate me the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on niggers, kikes, wops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless."- Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Full Metal Jacket

If Freedom they want then death they face

You cannot call what is happening in Uganda a possible genocide ashomosexuality is not a race of people, if it is then there is a gene that determines it.

Across the world there are just as many, if not more, religious (Christian, Buddhist or what ever) that face persecution and death just because their beliefs are not accepted by the general populace. for the most part this behavior is a choice. I will concede that, for some, there seems not to be a choice but i will not concede that man cannot overcome his natural tendencies or instinct. This is the essence of what makes us human and not an animal. You can change ANY behavior if you are strong enough. If you are not or do not try or even like the way you are then do not come whining to me that people look at you differently because you are different.

I have no real opinion of Homosexuals. My Bible says it is wrong but it is not my job to judge you. that function is a bit over my pay grade. On that vein i have several friends that are gay and work with a few other gay folks. They are just like anyone else for the most part. I have also seen the gay pride parades in San Fransisco, that is disgusting. the mode of dress, the lewd behavior would be offensive if they were heterosexual. In short i could not careless if you are gay but you do not have to shake it in my face for me to notice and do not tell me that i have to accept anything. you have no right to do so. i will not do so to you.

There were three runes i heard in a John Wayne movie that made sense and i like to live by
1 I will not lied to
2 I will not insulted
3 i will not be laid a hand on

simple rules to live by i will not do these things to others and i expect the same from them.

Back and forth between friends and acquaintances are a different story but you get the picture.

Never did understand their sense of style.... but eh. Still, I mean, whats the purpose of Uganda killing gays off? Its not like their hurting anyone...I think. Although Its probably just a conflict of morals and ideas like always and the arguement just turn towards gays. Woe to the ones who thought of murdering them, my guess is the U.N. is gonna get involved soon....

Right, the U.N. the one body that has no official power. I think what you mean is that the US and UK Armed Forces may get involved since those two areas are the only ones willing to help the U.N.

Aardvark wrote:Right, the U.N. the one body that has no official power. I think what you mean is that the US and UK Armed Forces may get involved since those two areas are the only ones willing to help the U.N.

I didnt even know there were any others in the U.N. other than US, UK, and Russia.....

But yeah. From the sounds of it and the fact that the government isnt publicizing the issue in Uganda is the fact that they dont think its all that significant....maybe in the future (few months to a year) they'll decide to do something when the death toll is higher...

They can't DO anything. They can request that nations volunteer forces to help with the issue, but given the controversial nature of the issue I doubt anyone will step forward. It's a choice for them(and I don't care what you say Nihil, there is no gay-gene, some people may tend that way but it's a choice in the final run), just like it's a choice for religious folk, and religions are persecuted every day in foreign countries just for a belief.