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Post by Atlas on Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:48 pm

Bad combination, I admit...

So, I'll start by posting a question of mine, and the answer i consider possible.

Q: Is Time included in the layer of the universe, among the planets, or does it exist independently.

Now the answer might look simple as in: "Of course it's independent". BUT, we humans cannot fully perceive this 4th dimension, sooooo, we cannot see the entire universe. Now imagine we could perceive time as a "flowing" line. It would be all around us affecting us.

A: I believe time is not independent. EVERYTHING, like length, width and depth, are part of the UNIVERSE which includes everything. Outside it, there is nothing.

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Re: Philosophy + Physics Questions

Post by Dray The Fingerless on Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:58 pm

physics have multiple theories developed thru decades, all of wich from the very first stages, have incorporated time as one of the dimensions of the universe.

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Re: Philosophy + Physics Questions

Post by Aardvark on Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:42 am

Time exists as an independent force because everything experiences it. I find your description of "outside the Universe there is nothing" to be an inaccurate way of viewing it, like so many you think of the universe as a definable shape that has boundaries that can be traversed. This is a faulty view, the Universe is the term for the entirety of existence it has no shape and no boundary it's simply the term we use to encompass all that is. So in a way you're right outside the Universe time doesn't exist, because there's no such thing as outside the Universe therefore nothing can exist there.

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Post by soran on Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:12 am

its mind blowing if you try to break it down and imagine it xD

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Re: Philosophy + Physics Questions

Post by Atlas on Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:50 am

soran wrote:its mind blowing if you try to break it down and imagine it xD


My thoughts exactly 0.o

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Re: Philosophy + Physics Questions

Post by Disturbed on Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:31 am

this is something I like to call Philosophy and not physics. Science involves the use of facts to make an inference and testing it. Dimensions and things like String Theory are inferenced made based off of some random data and are UNTESTABLE, testability is a criteria for a fact to become a fact but since it cannot be I refrain from calling it a physical reality.

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Re: Philosophy + Physics Questions

Post by Dray The Fingerless on Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:49 am

time and space are not dimensions determined from equational mathematics. they are experienceable by us, and testable. thus, it is physical reality, even thou i disagree with you on your view of dimensional theories(mathematical determinations using numerical data that is only possible if it conforms and fits with the reality we experience, is still factual data) time can be observed and tested, so can all dimensions of space. its more than possible to determine her question thru scientific method.

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Re: Philosophy + Physics Questions

Post by Atlas on Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:46 pm

Ye I agree with you, the way I said it wasnt right, I was just trying to be simplistic and... um... comprehensible?

Anyway you seem to have thought this through. What say you about black holes? Is it just matter that they absorb? Or do they influence the very nature of things like dimensions?

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Post by Dray The Fingerless on Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:16 pm

black holes are just manifestations of our universe. They obey physics and dimensional laws like any other object in it. Hawking even dismantled their legendary status, by showing that they arent indeed bottomless.

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Post by Aardvark on Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:56 pm

I never did understand where science fiction got bottomless or wormhole out of it when a blackhole is simply super dense matter strong enough to absorb light. How anyone got bottomless or wormhole out of that baffles me.

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